Re: [atlarge-discuss] My two cents...

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Judyth and all,

espresso@e-scape.net wrote:

> YJ Park wrote:
> >
> >> I don't want to blame anybody in this course especially within
> >> ICANNatlarge.org and if there should be a person who should
> >> be responsible for it, I admit I can be one of those people.
> >
> to which Sotiris Sotiropoulos responded:
> >Then do the right thing and resign ASAP.
>
> Without necessarily applauding the tone of remarks made by
> Sotiris and Joe Baptista, I would tend to agree that
> resigning (and standing for re-election if desired) is the
> only honourable course.

  I DO applaud Sotiris and Joe Baptista's excellent and directed
remarks in this situation.  They rightly in my view, properly
and strongly emphasized in their tone, the criticality of what
is and has been known, potentially, and in my view correctly
needed to be done.

>
>
> At the risk of boring everyone yet again, I believe the single
> most-incapacitating factor in this group is not differences
> of opinion -- that's normal and even good in a democracy --
> but the inability of some people to understand that an
> elective position is not
> a) some kind of personal popularity contest
> or
> b) permission to do whatever one feels like (or do nothing at all
>    if one prefers) with the business of the collective group.

  Very good, yet again stated stated and simply outlined what
should NOT be the predominant or existent attitude and
actions of elected "Panel" members for this fledgling
organization.

>
>
> To stand for an electoral office is to undertake a responsibility
> to the people who elected you for doing what they elected you to
> do.

  Yes indeed.  And in fact as Richard has exhaustingly and correctly
pointed out, those standing for election in an organization
such as this one, MUST follow the members direction collectively
to the very best of their ability, or be recalled/replaced without
delay.

>
>
> Some elective positions entail special individual responsibilities:
> for example, the treasurer of an organization has personal duties
> as well as whatever duties come from being part of a board of
> directors, executive committee or whatever.

  Interesting that you should yet again bring out, or to the specific
attention the "Treasurer" position at this opportune time.  Treasurers
are usually hired, not elected, though in some instances they are
elected.

>
>
> Other elective positions are specifically to participate in a
> collective entity -- a Board of Directors or, in our case, a
> Panel is such a collective entity. Decisions are to be made by
> a collective resolution.

  Lets not confuse our "Panel" with Boards of Directors.  They
are decidedly NOT equitable or even related.  Our "Panel" is
one that has been and should continue to be, a "Panel" with very
specific areas of responsibility and work elements to proceed
on in conjunction and consultation directly with the members.

  BoD's would cover a much broader scope of responsibility
than our "Panel"...

>
>
> Each individual (director or Panelist) has an individual
> responsibility to
> a) participate faithfully in the collective deliberations, and
> b) vote for what seems best for the **organization as a whole**
>    rather than a personal preference.

 Again no, "Panel" members does not equal BoD's

>
>
> The Board or Panel has a collective responsibility to
> a) ensure the organization operates according to its own rules
>    and any applicable laws
> b) deliberate matters arising from the organization's stated
>    mission and make sure its business is conducted efficiently
>    and effectively
> c) make decisions about what needs to be done when for the
>    proper achievement of the goals (set agendas, prioritize
>    and delegate tasks, make sure elections are run properly,
>    etc.)
> d) be answerable to the membership/shareholders for what it
>    does and does not do on behalf of the organization.

  And again NO, "Panel" members does not equal BoD's

>
>
> To complain that it is too time-consuming to discuss the
> business of the organization or vote on decisions about its
> future is to say "I want the status of an elected representative
> but I don't want to do the job!"
>
> To say that the failure of a Board or Panel to carry out its
> collective responsibilities is equivalent to authorizing any
> individual member of it to make decisions for the organization
> without an individual mandate to do so is simply illegal, as
> well as grossly unfair to the organization as a whole.
>
> We have no formal impeachment process because we have no
> constitution and bylaws yet, but the current Panel Chair
> would otherwise have been eligible for impeachment on grounds
> of both negligence and improper assumption of an authority
> which the membership conferred on the Panel as a whole.
> The other Panel members who did not either perform their duties
> in good faith or promptly resign when they found themselves
> unable to fulfil their obligations are every bit as culpable.
>
> To be blunt, there is *no* point prolonging the agony. An
> organization saddled with an ineffective administration
> must find ways to change that administration or it may as
> well give up and dissolve since it won't accomplish anything
> anyhow.
>
> If we can't find 11 people willing and able to devote a couple
> of hours a week to keeping this effort on track, there's no
> justification for our claim that we can organize or
> represent other Internet users. If we can (and I believe we
> can), let's do it and get on with the work.
>
> My two cents from "Soviet Canuckistan"
>
> Judyth
>
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