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[atlarge-discuss] Re: JEFF - whats going on - Baptista here Re: [atlarge-discuss] FYI: E-voting concerns in the U.S. - NetAction on ACM's FAQ
Joe and all,
Joe Baptista wrote:
> Jeff:
>
> I notice alot of activity here but have the puppies gotten around to
> figuring out the vote or are we still heading down the road to fairy land,
> or is that Rio.
Well it always seems that when in the 11th hour this group just gets
started in trying to get something done. Problem with that is that it is
too little too late. So I can appreciate you humor regarding Fairy Land! >:)
>
>
> I've been ignoring this group. can't figure out whats going on here
> except rio has some significance. jeff my voice of reason - whats going
> on here. Has the icann at large in fact organized or is it ingaged in an
> ester polyester S&M vice. Which I understand is algo on the way to Rio.
Yes off down the yellow brick road to Rio! But I don't know anyone
in this group that is going and most can't afford to go anyway...
>
>
> Incidentall I have contacts in fairy land just in case anyone wants to
> defect.
ROFLMAO! >:)
>
>
> Going down to Rio - were going down to Rio - were going down to Rio to do
> nothing in the @large name ... And Jeff - while were on it - who's going
> to rio? Do you know?
Sure don't from ICANNATLARGE.ORG.
>
>
> regards
> joe baptista
>
> Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
>
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>
> On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > Judyth and all,
> >
> > espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> >
> > > Just in case anyone was wondering why I think it's unwise to
> > > simply delegate one's elections to an e-voting provider
> > > without first examining the service from all angles.
> >
> > Very much agreed here. Such should go without saying...
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, a message received off-list in response to my
> > > request for guidance suggested that we might do well to
> > > ask Elizabeth Porteneuve of the DNSO to run our upcoming
> > > elections and Karl Auerbach to be custodian of our
> > > membership list.
> >
> > We tried this before, minus Karl as the "Custodian" of the
> > membership list. It was a disaster.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pros and cons I can see at first glance:
> > >
> > > PRO - the DNSO process is already defined and tested,
> > > apparently to most people's satisfaction
> > > - Karl Auerbach will be the first person beatified if
> > > Internet users ever decide to elevate people to sainthood
> > > - even Jeff Williams would be hard-pressed to come up
> > > with an objection vilifying the two people mentioned.
> >
> > I have vilified no one Judyth. However you seem to be
> > hinting in doing so towards myself in falsely accusing me of doing
> > or perhaps doing so. Be careful here Judyth, be very careful!
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > CON - we'd be no nearer to developing our own mechanisms
> > > and processes for the future organization
> > > - it would lend support to the notion that one can
> > > expect members to make good collective decisions in
> > > the absence of any faith in their fellow-members or
> > > mechanism by which they can make their decisions
> > >
> > > Your opinions would be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Judyth
> > >
> > > ---Fwd from NetAction Notes <http://www.netaction.org>
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >Will The U.S. Be Counting or Ignoring Your Votes Electronically?
> > > >
> > > >The Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) recently published a
> > > >Frequently Asked Questions about electronic voting systems that
> > > >deserves your attention. ACM, comprised of computing professionals
> > > >from academia, industry and government, offers unbiased technical
> > > >expertise to assist policy makers in the development of computing and
> > > >information technology policy. The gist of the FAQ, as noted by
> > > >co-author David Dill, is:
> > > >
> > > > "Do not be seduced by the apparent convenience of "touch-screen
> > > >voting" machines, or the "gee whiz" factor that accompanies flashy
> > > >new technology. Using these machines is tantamount to handing
> > > >complete control of vote counting to a private company, with no
> > > >independent checks or audits. These machines represent a serious
> > > >threat to democracy. Much better alternatives are available for
> > > >upgrading voting equipment."
> > > >
> > > >The bottom line, says ACM, is that electronic voting machines must
> > > >provide a voter-verifiable audit trail. Why are we talking about this
> > > >now? Many states are buying these systems in large numbers, and will
> > > >be using them in upcoming elections, whether the machines and
> > > >processes are ready or not.
> > > >
> > > >You can find the FAQ at http://verify.stanford.edu/EVOTE/faq.html
> > > >and more information, announcements, statements from several noted
> > > >computer professionals, and news updates at:
> > > >http://verify.stanford.edu/evote.html.
> > > >ACM's website is at http://acm.org/, their public policy work is at
> > > >http://www.acm.org/usacm/.
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> > > ##########################################################
> > > Judyth Mermelstein "cogito ergo lego ergo cogito..."
> > > Montreal, QC <espresso@e-scape.net>
> > > ##########################################################
> > > "A word to the wise is sufficient. For others, use more."
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> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
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