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[atlarge-discuss] Re: JEFF - whats going on - Baptista here Re: [atlarge-discuss] FYI: E-voting concerns in the U.S. - NetAction on ACM's FAQ
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Jeff Williams wrote:
> Joe and all,
>
> Joe Baptista wrote:
>
> > Jeff:
> >
> > I notice alot of activity here but have the puppies gotten around to
> > figuring out the vote or are we still heading down the road to fairy land,
> > or is that Rio.
>
> Well it always seems that when in the 11th hour this group just gets
> started in trying to get something done. Problem with that is that it is
> too little too late. So I can appreciate you humor regarding Fairy Land! >:)
oh well nothing changed - have your intellegent agent flag my intellegent
agent when something happens. i'm going back to sleep mode.
regards
joe baptista
Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
Elastic Ropes http://www.elasticropes.low/ boy band
>
> >
> >
> > I've been ignoring this group. can't figure out whats going on here
> > except rio has some significance. jeff my voice of reason - whats going
> > on here. Has the icann at large in fact organized or is it ingaged in an
> > ester polyester S&M vice. Which I understand is algo on the way to Rio.
>
> Yes off down the yellow brick road to Rio! But I don't know anyone
> in this group that is going and most can't afford to go anyway...
>
> >
> >
> > Incidentall I have contacts in fairy land just in case anyone wants to
> > defect.
>
> ROFLMAO! >:)
>
> >
> >
> > Going down to Rio - were going down to Rio - were going down to Rio to do
> > nothing in the @large name ... And Jeff - while were on it - who's going
> > to rio? Do you know?
>
> Sure don't from ICANNATLARGE.ORG.
>
> >
> >
> > regards
> > joe baptista
> >
> > Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
> >
> > Dot CAM Domains http://www.dot.cam/
> > All about domains in .cAm.
> > an Inclusive NameSpace Provider
> >
> > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> > > Judyth and all,
> > >
> > > espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just in case anyone was wondering why I think it's unwise to
> > > > simply delegate one's elections to an e-voting provider
> > > > without first examining the service from all angles.
> > >
> > > Very much agreed here. Such should go without saying...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, a message received off-list in response to my
> > > > request for guidance suggested that we might do well to
> > > > ask Elizabeth Porteneuve of the DNSO to run our upcoming
> > > > elections and Karl Auerbach to be custodian of our
> > > > membership list.
> > >
> > > We tried this before, minus Karl as the "Custodian" of the
> > > membership list. It was a disaster.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pros and cons I can see at first glance:
> > > >
> > > > PRO - the DNSO process is already defined and tested,
> > > > apparently to most people's satisfaction
> > > > - Karl Auerbach will be the first person beatified if
> > > > Internet users ever decide to elevate people to sainthood
> > > > - even Jeff Williams would be hard-pressed to come up
> > > > with an objection vilifying the two people mentioned.
> > >
> > > I have vilified no one Judyth. However you seem to be
> > > hinting in doing so towards myself in falsely accusing me of doing
> > > or perhaps doing so. Be careful here Judyth, be very careful!
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > CON - we'd be no nearer to developing our own mechanisms
> > > > and processes for the future organization
> > > > - it would lend support to the notion that one can
> > > > expect members to make good collective decisions in
> > > > the absence of any faith in their fellow-members or
> > > > mechanism by which they can make their decisions
> > > >
> > > > Your opinions would be much appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Judyth
> > > >
> > > > ---Fwd from NetAction Notes <http://www.netaction.org>
> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > >Will The U.S. Be Counting or Ignoring Your Votes Electronically?
> > > > >
> > > > >The Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) recently published a
> > > > >Frequently Asked Questions about electronic voting systems that
> > > > >deserves your attention. ACM, comprised of computing professionals
> > > > >from academia, industry and government, offers unbiased technical
> > > > >expertise to assist policy makers in the development of computing and
> > > > >information technology policy. The gist of the FAQ, as noted by
> > > > >co-author David Dill, is:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Do not be seduced by the apparent convenience of "touch-screen
> > > > >voting" machines, or the "gee whiz" factor that accompanies flashy
> > > > >new technology. Using these machines is tantamount to handing
> > > > >complete control of vote counting to a private company, with no
> > > > >independent checks or audits. These machines represent a serious
> > > > >threat to democracy. Much better alternatives are available for
> > > > >upgrading voting equipment."
> > > > >
> > > > >The bottom line, says ACM, is that electronic voting machines must
> > > > >provide a voter-verifiable audit trail. Why are we talking about this
> > > > >now? Many states are buying these systems in large numbers, and will
> > > > >be using them in upcoming elections, whether the machines and
> > > > >processes are ready or not.
> > > > >
> > > > >You can find the FAQ at http://verify.stanford.edu/EVOTE/faq.html
> > > > >and more information, announcements, statements from several noted
> > > > >computer professionals, and news updates at:
> > > > >http://verify.stanford.edu/evote.html.
> > > > >ACM's website is at http://acm.org/, their public policy work is at
> > > > >http://www.acm.org/usacm/.
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> > > > ##########################################################
> > > > Judyth Mermelstein "cogito ergo lego ergo cogito..."
> > > > Montreal, QC <espresso@e-scape.net>
> > > > ##########################################################
> > > > "A word to the wise is sufficient. For others, use more."
> > > > "Un mot suffit aux sages; pour les autres, il en faut plus."
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> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
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> Regards,
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> Jeffrey A. Williams
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