Re: [atlarge-discuss] election or disbanding

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Judyth and all fellow members,

espresso@e-scape.net wrote:

> At 22:48 -0800 2003/03/19, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >  I am sure that Judyth is trying to ensure the security of the list.
> >However
> >as I recall Judyth some time long before she received the members list
> >was trying hard to secure herself a position as secretary of this
> >organization
> >Bruce.  Hence I seriously doubt that anything was "Thrust" upon her!
>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> For the last time, I'd like to ask you to check your facts.

  I did, and I have repeatedly reposted those relevant archives
from this forum in this regard.  Hence my previous comments on this
thread, Judyth.

>
> I already have a busy career, thank you very much, and am
> not putting myself forward as a candidate for anything, nor
> have I in the past.

  I didn't say "Candidate", Judyth.  Perhaps you should read more
carefully what I said before spouting off in this manner.

>
>
> If you'll check the archives of this list, you will see that I
> offered to act as recording secretary (not Secretary of the
> organization) and do some of the joe-jobs which weren't being
> done at all since they're apparently beneath the dignity of all
> the would-be-alpha males in this group.

  Indeed you certainly did offer.  That was my point.  Your offer
was a bit more than JUST an offer in the tone of those remarks
regarding the secretariat position that was being discussed at that time.

>
>
> Given your vigorous objections to my doing anything of the sort,
> I stepped back - after clarifying for you the difference
> between "volunteer for minute-taking and such" and officer of
> an organization.

  I have no objections to you doing what the membership wants
for you or anyone else to do.  Never have had, never will have.

> Unfortunately, nobody else stepped forward
> (perhaps for fear of getting the same innuendos and sneers)
> and so this group has carried on for months without proper
> minutes of discussions, "working groups" that don't work,
> and a general muddle.

  Agreed that very few people are stepping up to the plate.
I have been myself criticized repeatedly for gaining funding and
producing a funding model for this fledgling organization, including
a rather scathing negative comment post from both you and Jan
in that regard.

>
>
> Anyway, everyone should realize by now than Vittorio sent
> his lists to Jan as well as myself, that neither of us had
> asked for those lists but simply found them in our mailboxes,
> and that we've both been quite punctilious about reporting
> to the group and not misusing the information we'd received.

  Understood.  However we do not know that this is how this
episode occurred, do we?  In any event Vittorio acted badly in doing
so.  He should have sent the membership list to the webmaster.

>
>
> >  Respectfully I don't think I or any member should thank her for
> >safeguarding our privacy.  Rather is should be obvious in the extreme
> >that such safeguarding would be the only responsible thing to do.
>
> Indeed, and we behaved responsibly so I'm not sure why you
> feel the need to be insulting about it.

  I am not insulting you in my remarks above Judyth.  Me thinks that
you are entirely over sensitive here.  Thanking any member for
services rendered to the membership of which they are also a member
is not necessary IMHO.  Just that simple Judyth!  >;)

> In any case, however
> obvious it may be, there are some members of this group who
> are evidently less concerned about members' privacy than Jan
> and I and perhaps you could take that into account.

  I am very concerned regarding Privacy.  I am on public record for
my and our [INEGroup's] position regarding privacy and security
issues.  Had you been actually paying attention you would
of course know that already.  Evidently you are not doing so
if this is your opinion.

>
>
> >  Bruce, the Panel is defunct.  There are NO current panel members.
> >
> >> My sole desire at this point is to see these elections conducted
> >> quickly, correctly, and with good oversight.
> >
> >  Understood and this of course must and should be done.  However
> >the panel before so many left/resinged, refused to get that process off
> >to a good start, primarily due to Vittorio's malfeasance or
> >>irresponsibility.
>
> It's easy to say "the Panel is dead - let's elect a new Panel"
> but - as we can all see - it is not so easy to hold that
> all-important election without some agreement on how to do it,
> and especially if nobody is empowered to send out an announcement
> to members or ask for nominations.

  Agreed.  Hence why we need to hash out how such an election
can and should be held.  Of course, again I have repeatedly said
as much a tremendous number of times on this forum.

>
>
> >>  We have to accept that we were
> >> scammed and move on.  And maybe be a little smarter about who we
> >>choose >> for the panel in the future.  We might want to even go so
> >>far as to
> >> mandate that panel members cannot serve in any leadership capacity
> >>in any
> >> outside Internet-related organizations.
> >
> >  Very much agreed.  And being ignorant is no excuse...
>
> I concur. Some basic conflict-of-interest guidelines and a
> well-defined mandate for the next Interim Panel might well
> prevent another year of aimless noise and make it possible
> for us to do what this group was intended for.

  Here Here!

>
>
> Would anyone care to draft something along those lines for
> the purpose of discussion?

  I can have something next mid week.

>
>
> Regards,
>
> Judyth
>
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> Judyth Mermelstein     "cogito ergo lego ergo cogito..."
> Montreal, QC           <espresso@e-scape.net>
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> "A word to the wise is sufficient. For others, use more."
> "Un mot suffit aux sages; pour les autres, il en faut plus."
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Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 129k members/stakeholders strong!)
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