RE: [atlarge-discuss] Panel, elections and over-delaying maneuvers 2

["Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>]

For sure on the panel are Jefsey and Bruce, you were called and said
yes, that was the last heard.

You do not need 11 members just to organize elections, which is the only
task left.

The 3 of you should suffice

Oh and pls confirm to Judyth and Jan you want you, Jefsey and Bruce to
have the maillist. :)

A


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Dierker [mailto:eric@hi-tek.com] 
> Sent: 23 March 2003 21:06
> To: abel@able-towers.com
> Cc: jefsey@club-internet.fr; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Panel, elections and 
> over-delaying maneuvers 2
> 
> 
> Who is on the panel?
> 
> To my understanding there were enough of us "also rans" to 
> fill all of the 
> posts left vacant by resignations.
> 
> Now why is this not being done?  Me thinks those of us lower 
> on the list are 
> outsiders and dotcommoners, and those in position have others 
> that they want 
> to fill those positions so they call for more elections.
> 
> Eric
> 
> > Assuming common sense one day will win, and Jan and Judyth 
> will give 
> > the list to Bruce and Jefsey and perhaps even Eric, I have 
> asked some 
> > members of my team to go ahead and plan to write a perl script for 
> > anonymized elections.
> > 
> > Criteria for that script:
> > 
> > Mail send including randomized number
> > Number to be stored
> > Reply to be checked against number, single entry.
> > Count votes
> > Make totals after set time limit.
> > 
> > I am sure there are some more ingredients that will come up, or 
> > perhaps someone wishes to bring them in now. Estimated time 
> to first 
> > test run = 1 week, script should be ready for approval 
> within 2 weeks 
> > max.
> > 
> > I am prepared to give 5 people access to the script, 
> sendmail etc to 
> > make sure that no capture software runs, anonymizing is 
> done pursuant 
> > to target, checks are sufficient to make sure there is no 
> fraudulent 
> > emails, etc.
> > 
> > I repeat that I will reserve the right to not give root access to 
> > everyone, for very clear and simple reasons.
> > 
> > One watchdog will have root during the entire process to make sure 
> > that nothing will be changed on any part of the mechanism, 
> either in 
> > the script, client-handling, or sendmail.
> > 
> > A singular user will be setup to send and receive the mail, 
> they will 
> > then be copied to the watchdogs, who again only have a list of 
> > generated numbers and no names, but who can check those numbers 
> > against the received answers.
> > 
> > Input remains welcome till script is finished.
> > 
> > I propose that in the meanwhile we use the "old" rules for 
> the vote, 
> > and that people start proposing candidates.
> > 
> > I also propose to give the thus chosen panel a 3 or 6 month mandate 
> > to:
> > 
> > A. prepare for incorporation
> > B. prepare articles
> > C. prepare workgroups
> > D. prepare next elections.
> > 
> > During the vote for the next panel, articles and such can be voted 
> > upon in one go.
> > 
> > I kindly as Bruce and Jefsey and Eric to start all this.
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > 
> > Abel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin [mailto:jefsey@club-internet.fr]
> >> Sent: 23 March 2003 16:19
> >> To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> >> Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Panel, elections and over-delaying 
> >> maneuvers 2
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Please disregard previous post. I send it again, having left
> >> attached some 
> >> drafting
> >> ---------
> >> 
> >> for weeks, Vittorio and Judyth try to build an image of mine
> >> as being in a 
> >> "competition" with Joop for controlling this group and carrying an 
> >> "unilateral" effort to that end. Vittorio's tactics and 
> >> reasons are now 
> >> well understood.
> >> 
> >> This has been used to impeach the Panelists from carrying the
> >> election as 
> >> they voted it, to incorporate a "safe" structure to own the 
> >> list and the 
> >> site password, to have positions voted and a Spokesman 
> >> elected to represent 
> >> us in Rio. This imposed lack of action has been used to 
> >> pretend the Panel 
> >> was dead, sterilizing the whole icannatalrge.org. The only 
> chance of 
> >> survival for this group being legitimacy of Joop by 
> >> necessity, this alleged 
> >> competition lead Joop to tactics reducing our chances, to the 
> >> ALAC's benefit.
> >> 
> >> After committing to permit me to organize the election we
> >> voted, Vittorio 
> >> used this tale to escape without giving the Panel the Members 
> >> list nor the 
> >> password. Now, Judyth uses it to refuse to give back to the 
> >> Panel the list 
> >> Vittorio copied to her (I thank Jan to have refused that story).
> >> 
> >> Feeling both personally hurt and the whole group damaged 
> by Judyth's
> >> accusations, I asked her to apologize. Her response is the 
> >> same lecturing 
> >> about my alleged ambitions (I am the only one having 
> >> committed not to be a 
> >> candidate! :-) and her surrealist repeated demand that both 
> >> Bruce and me 
> >> ask her the list as Panelists, ... what we keep asking her 
> for weeks.
> >> 
> >> So, here I publicly ask Judyth and Jan, to send a copy of the
> >> Members list 
> >> and of the site password to every Panelist (Eric and Sotiris 
> >> and other ones 
> >> on the Panelist elect list please to rise hand if you want to 
> >> join, as it 
> >> is your and our common right. Bruce asked you to do so, as 
> >> soon as we could 
> >> once Vittorio evnetually officially resigned).
> >> 
> >> If Judyth/Jan gives back the list to them, the remaining
> >> Panelists will be 
> >> able to carry a duty, delaying maneuvers prevented them from 
> >> carrying for 
> >> so many weeks. They have been elected for it, they have voted 
> >> it, they want 
> >> to do it (and to retire :-)
> >> 
> >> The Panel will proceed with dispatch
> >> - to form an election Committee with Jan and Judyth, and
> >> three other called 
> >> watchdogs, provided they are no candidate,
> >> - to get nominations
> >> - to have the election we all wait for in using a solution 
> >> everyone can 
> >> check and trust.
> >> - to entrust the Member's list to their incorporated 
> >> secretariat, or to 
> >> each of the Panelists (the new Panel will vote on this), so 
> >> the current 
> >> list hi-jacking by non-elected people can never happen again.
> >> 
> >> If Judyth/Jan do not copy the list to us, I will wait for
> >> Bruce's return by 
> >> the end of the week, as he asked me, for us to take a joint 
> >> decision (with 
> >> the other Panelists who would have joined; we may also call 
> >> on those who 
> >> resigned for advice). Whatever that decision, everyone will 
> >> then know it 
> >> will not be out any "unilateralism" or "personal agenda" by 
> >> any of us, but 
> >> due to the sole decision of non elected persons.
> >> 
> >> In the meanwhile, as a personal position, I want to show my
> >> "unilaterism", 
> >> in calling again every of you to respond Joop's poll. Please 
> >> understand 
> >> this is not an icannatlarge.org vote/poll, BUT it may be the 
> >> last way for 
> >> us to partly continue this effort. So, even if you do not 
> >> support Joop's 
> >> options and do not want to join/support his party, PLEASE use 
> >> his straw 
> >> poll to show we want to survive Vittorio's trap.
> >> 
> >> I also want to take advantage of this public mail, to call on
> >> Joop again, 
> >> for him not to endanger this weak group, using that imposed 
> >> delays to spoil 
> >> his own image, an image we all need (I know I will upset 
> >> some, but we need 
> >> to unite, not to fight each others). I commit that before 
> >> retiring, I will 
> >> propose the new elected Panel to chose a Spokesman, so we may 
> >> quickly word 
> >> our positions under the control of the Panel, and then of the 
> >> Membership. 
> >> And from experience dating from years, I will nominate Joop 
> >> (should he 
> >> commits to be as democrat as he tells us to be :-).
> >> 
> >> Then I will propose that we support and give a chance to
> >> Danny's project 
> >> for SMEs, DPF for sole DN Managers, YJ Park's effort for the 
> >> WSIS, Abel's 
> >> propositions for an atlarge DNS and mine for dot-root.
> >> 
> >> All those God knows why strangled things which are ready to
> >> develop. jfc
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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