FW: [atlarge-discuss] ICANN Staff's at-large website

["Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>]

Sorry Judyth, 

This comes straight from the list, not any sort of off-list and is
extremely clear in it's content.

I Do really not see why you throw up yet other obstacles but assume you
have your own motives.
To add any legality to the Joop-poll is ridiculous, it bares no
significance upon this organistaion whatsoever.

For that he needs a mandate just as hard as anyone else.

That way the questions would be real questions and the watchdogs real
watch dogs and not friends.

Regards

Abel




-----Original Message-----
From: bruce@barelyadequate.info [mailto:bruce@barelyadequate.info] 
Sent: 20 March 2003 01:30
To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] ICANN Staff's at-large website


Abel Wisman wrote:

| HE has seen fit to rule like an emperor and dropping a struggling 
| organisation further into oblivion by not supporting efforts by the 
| remainder of the panel to organize elections, the least one does when 
| one has failed in any democracy.

I'll acknowledge the result, but am not willing to comment on his
motivation, not having lived in his head.

| He allowed the "spiel" made by Joop c.s. and by sending the maillist 
| to non-elected members who did not even appear on a possible
| panellist, he
| made sure that further controversy would arise.

Again, the facts are true.  But what his motivation is we may never no.

| Your support in organizing elections could be started with sending the

| list to Jefsey and Bruce, and at least have them organize election, if

| they abuse that list in any form it will haunt them and not you like 
| it does now.

Please!  I promise to not abuse this list in any manner, and use it
solely for effecting the election.  I am willing to do all the work
myself, if necessary, funneling election message traffic through my
domain mail server, and auto-forwarding the results to designated
watchdogs.

| As an ordinary member, I urge you once again to send the list to both 
| collegue panellist that remain, who in turn without a shadow of a 
| doubt will not abuse that list, and solely organize elections within a

| time frame that is reasonable.

Yes.  I will affirm that.  I'm sure Jefsey would as well.

| This could all be done in under 10 days if you hand handed the list 
| over earlier, and can still be done in that time.

Well . . .  My only problem with this is two-fold.  First, we need to
hold a proper call for nominees, which means using the list to contact
all members and solicuiting same.  We then need to post the candidates'
statements online for a period, so people know what the candidates stand
for.  I'd also call for including a mandatory list of Internet-related
organizations in which the candidate is serving in a leadership role.

Secondly, I'm leaving on a one-week road trip on Mar 22nd, and won't be
back until Mar 28th.  I won't have access to my e-mail account until I
return.  I will be taking a laptop with me and will be in contact with
my work, so if things get *really* gnarly Jefsey and Judyth both know my
address there. But the company frowns on private use, so I'd just as
soon not give it out here.

| I would love to hear a real reason for abandoning the remainder of the

| panel by sending the list, of which the panel and not you is a 
| custodion, to non panel-members, what you have given untill now is 
| just plain nonsense and not backed up by anything.

So would I!

Bruce Young
Portland, Oregon
bruce@barelyadequate.info
http://www.barelyadequate.info
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