Re: [atlarge-discuss] Poll watcher rights and duties

[Jan Siren <sirenj@earthlink.net>]

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.  Other comments, interspersed, 
below.

Joop Teernstra wrote:
> 
> At 04:52 p.m. 10/04/2003, you wrote:
> >Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > >
> > > Pending the election of a Polling Commission, Polls can be undertaken as a
> > > private initiative in a bottom-up fashion.
> > >
> > > To add to the credibility of their results, neutral and broadly respected
> > > Watchers need to be engaged.
> > >
> > > These watchers need to be able to answer email within 24 hours.
> > > They should have the following rights:
> > >
> > > 1. Get the outgoing Ballot message in advance (for comment and amendments)
> > > 2. Get copy of all correspondence with voters
> > > 3. get Polling Options and background information 24H in advance before
> > > they go on the PB website or are sent as email (for comment and
> > improvements)
> > > 4. Get list of all the voters names or email addresses (strictly in
> > > confidence) as soon as the Ballot goes out.
> > > 5. Get copy of all actual raw voting results from the database (strictly in
> > > confidence) as soon as the voting closes.
> > > 6. Get list of all bouncing addresses.
> > >
> > > The Watchers' duty will be to report on the Poll and declare the Polling
> > > results reliable or unreliable within 4 days after the closing of the
> > Polls.
> > >
> > > Who will be the watchers for Jefsey's election?
> > >
> >
> >Well, these rules aren't new.  You've published them previously on
> >icannatlarge.com.  And I don't qualify under them and never could - but
> >you've known that all along.
> 
> Yes, I wish you had more time.
> But this is generally the problem with volunteer-based organizing.
> 
> >I would advise anyone who's thinking about accepting this that it's a
> >full-time job for the duration of the poll, in addition to your day job (if
> >you have one).  And I would advise everyone *else* to carefully scrutinize
> >the credentials of whoever volunteers to do this.
> 
> Good advice, on both counts.
> 
> >Since I can't be a poll-watcher, does this mean I can run for the Panel after
> >all?  :-)
> 
> I wish you could.
> 

Thanks for the endorsement but it doesn't change the overall prospect for 
me.  :-)

> >Don't worry, I'm not serious.  I want to keep my sanity and *need* to keep my
> >day job.
> 
> I hope we will not see times where people are in danger to lose their
> day-time jobs for participating in icannatlarge.
> 

A clarification here: this has nothing to do with politics and everything to 
do with hours.

> >More seriously: If there is anything this group needs *more* than a Panel,
> >it's a moderator for this forum.
> 
> Been there before, with the IDNO :-(    A subject guaranteed to create the
> ugliest mess yet.
> I tried to sidestep it by introducing the webforum, which has rules on sign-up.
> 
> >   If we can't raise the level of discourse
> >among us there's no point in continuing.  Anyone who runs for the Panel needs
> >to have a position on how to maintain a serious level of discourse among the
> >membership.
> 
> Agree. My own position is that the solution lies in having a multiplicity
> of lists with rules (before sign-up), some open, some invitation
> -only,  and to have each list post a weekly report of all substantive talk
> on the Web in the Forum, where all members can see it.
> 

As well-structured as your Forum is, it demands of the user a commitment of 
time, not to mention the latest Web browsing software (I can't access it from 
my home on my somewhat elderly Pentium w/Windows), before he is able to enter 
his first post there.  Meaning no offense, but for whatever reason, most 
persons who use this mailing list have not also availed themselves of the 
Forum.  Not to mention the hundreds of others, a majority really, who 
have counted themselves as members, but haven't chosen to post in either 
venue.

> BTW, did you intend to cc your message as a post to the list?
> You may include my reply.


ALL READING THIS PLEASE NOTE:

An oversight on my part.  I always *mean* to reply on the list to ICANN 
topics, whether encountered on the list or mailed directly to me.  Unless the 
sender specifically asks me not to do so.


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