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Re: [Fwd: [atlarge-discuss] WHAT MOST MEMBERS WANT]



On Sun, 2003-04-13 at 12:32, J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
> >It gives people a chance to check that their votes were probably
> >interpreted correctly -- at least on the front-end.
> >If the code becomes available for download, programmers can verify the
> >back-end.
> 
> This is the problem. This permits the Members to know they voted and that 
> they are not forgot. But it gives absolutely no warranty about what is 
> hapening on the server (manager adding votes) and additional "virtual voters".

There's no reason why a few people cannot keep an eye on the server.
Sure, it's not foolproof by any means, but if several people can "tail
-f" the logs and check the md5sums of the programs as voting is
happening, that would be helpful.

> >It doesn't help with fraudulent additional accounts per person -- but I
> >think we're all in agreement that that's too difficult to prevent at
> >this point.
> 
> No. This is the basis of the simplest system I propose. The only
> control against fraudluent additional is a published list of the voters
> IDs that can be checked by everyone.

That still doesn't help, Jefsey. If I impersonate 12 different people,
there's still no way to prove it. There are hints at detection: the
Received: email headers might point out a single IP. Apache logs IPs.
But I could always impersonate each person saying we were on a community
access point behind an IP. Or disconnect/reconnect to get different IPs
every time. Or use a tricky SMTP and/or SSL set-up to hide my origin.

-s

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