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Re: [atlarge-discuss] FYI: Anonymity, identity and authority

Sotiris and all fellow members,

  Of course your right in that Judyth is seemingly spinning in her
previous remarks.  I fail to see myself how her remarks in any
reasonable way relate to holding an election for the members

  But remember Sotiris, the ISOC no longer has individual members,
as it changed it's bylaws eliminating individual members for the purposes
of voting in it's organization.

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> ><snip>
> >
> >Perhaps this will help to explain why I respectfully
> >disagree with my fellow-Canadian, Sotiris, who seems
> >to believe only those willing to pay $100 to have their
> >identity notarized should be eligible to join a group
> >protesting the lack of democracy and openness within
> >
> Poppycock!   I stated no such thing.
> ><sbip>
> >
> >For example, I could join any of Canada's federal or
> >provincial political parties on simply supplying my
> >name, address and telephone number and forking over
> >CDN $10 (or less!) in cash. To the best of my knowledge,
> >none of those parties (with the possible exception of
> >the white-supremacist and Stalinist fringes) makes any
> >investigation into one's background or demands to see
> >one's passport; as a member, I could cast a vote for
> >a leader or convention delegate simply on showing my
> >membership card.
> >
> But, here in Ontario, you cannot vote in ANY MUNICIPAL, PROVINCIAL, OR
> FEDERAL ELECTION involving any of those same parties unless you prove
> your identity! I suspect it's the same in Quebec. So what is your point,
> I wonder?
> >I've been called as a witness in court on a few occasions
> >and my word that I am who I say I am was deemed sufficient
> >under the law. On occasion, I've been asked my name by a
> >policeman (taking statements about noise complaints, etc.)
> >but no proof of my identity was demanded. Nor am I used
> >to having such proofs demanded by people I do business with:
> >the only exception would be the banks, which require it
> >because they are obliged to report to the tax authorities.
> >
> Try voting for any level of government and we'll see how far you get
> without producing ID.  Why don't you take issue with the various
> election authorites in Canada for presuming you to be guilty until you
> provide them with some ID then?  Please, Judyth, spare us the spintalk.
> >Therefore, I find the idea repellent that a group like this
> >might take the position that we are all guilty until we can
> >prove our innocence -- especially at our own expense, and
> >to the satisfaction of a company which operates for its own
> >benefit rather than any legitimate authority over us.
> >
> Legitimacy is a two-edged sword, Judyth.  If this organization cannot
> vouchsafe and adequately verify the uniqueness and identity of our
> membership, then ICANN is free to continue ignoring us in favour of
> groups like ISOC etc., which can and do verify their membership.
> >Yes, it does make sense to confirm in some way that the people
> >in the group are real people and that they are not trying
> >to cast multiple votes under different identities but NO,
> >I do not wish to be part of a so-called activist group
> >which believes in the presumption of guilt and the absence
> >of the rule of law in its dealings with its own members.
> >Somehow, that just doesn't seem like the right spirit in
> >which to approach individual Internet users and encourage
> >them to be good Netizens within a democratized Internet
> >governance.
> >
> Isn't ISOC a body of "good Netizens" then?
> --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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