Whatever anyone thinks of YJ Park's policies, her idea that the Panel should have a weekly meeting was a good one. I think a weekly IRC meeting would be simple enough to set up and extremely low-tech. Or maybe a group-chat, one-to-many instant message thing. Anyway, it could be like a city council meeting with a set agenda voted on the previous week and maybe "voice" votes on simple issues. -s On Sat, 2003-05-10 at 20:06, Abel Wisman wrote: > Jan, > > Raising participation, conversation and open and frank discussion about > the topics that perhaps should and certainly could be of importance to > this community, is of a major concern to al lot of people here as has > been shown over the past period and on the GA maillist. > > Several ideas have floated before and some came from me, some from > others,. > > To start of with, the maillist, as we today know and use it, has its > flaws, certainly, the noise ratio at times can be almost unbearable and > personal attacks are hard to prevent without going into censorship. > Ideally people would "act adult" and censor themselves, but alas, some > subjects are close to the heart and one can become overly passionate > about them, sometimes saying or writing things that one would not have > said after some thought and slightly less passion. > Then ofcourse there is the occasional "agence provocateur" who > skillfully creates reactions like that and or draws the attention away > from the heart of the topic and willingly disrupts serious discussions. > > But at all time you have to remain the openess that (f.i.) ICANN misses, > which means that you most likely will have to put up with clutter, noise > and provocation. > > Democracy is worth fighting for, and certainly worth wading through > clutter and noise, which can be resolved with a delete button. > > The forums in itself as idea are an excellent addition to the maillist, > however experience shows that it is far less effective and > running/maintaining them can be far more simple then some portrait it to > be, there are many easily accesible forae available online, mostly open > source and they give the users the right and possibility to start their > own discussion, which could perhaps (seeing as those would be topic > specific) a very decent alternative. > The greatest danger with a forum however is the webmaster/forum-admin > who can remove postings, block posting, change postings and everything > else you can imagine, which does not exactly gives a great feeling > unless the "admin" is of unquestionable reputation. > > A panel should have its own maillist, which imo would need a direct > archiving open to see for all, after all it is the right of every member > to see how the people they voted for are behaving in their chosen > capacity. > > For user participation one could add a "chat" to the website, which at > the same time would be accesible over any ircd client, as well as direct > participation on the website (so called java-chat) outside of time-zones > being a pain to overcome their, some interesting discussion can be held > in a so called chat room, we could even consider (if the setup would > prove succesfull) to allow users to open topic specific rooms. > > Furthermore if we could use a "php-nuke" like website setup ( there are > better solutions then phpnuke available under opensource ) which would > give the option of running polls on the frontpage with instant result. > They would of course be "straw-polls" and since one can influence them > by multiple voting (unless we would enter the scary and unwanted world > of "residing and lasting" cookies) but they could be indicative of > peoples sentiments. > > Daily updates of the website, newsletter, news colums and individual > columns on the webiste, with total and real free speech might also > improve communications, but in the end it will all boil down to the user > perception of the result of the work done. > If we see chance to actually put across an opinion carried by a majority > and defended by those who care most for that topic, have the knowledge > and are able to articulate that knowledge like some did on the WLS topic > in the GA, more people would be willing to invest time in this group > and certainly a lot more would join. > > If you have any more specific questions or prefer a deeper insight in my > above opinion, please feel free to ask. > > Regards > > Abel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jan Siren [mailto:sirenj@earthlink.net] > > Sent: 10 May 2003 17:07 > > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Real world nominations > > > > > > Abel Wisman wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > After carefull consideration, and looking somewhat into the near > > > future as in terms of time management, I have decided to honour the > > > nomination I was honoured to receive. > > > > > > I will send a short cv at the start of the weekend and make that > > > available online at the same time. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Abel > > > > Abel, I have noted the thoughtful posts you have placed on > > this mailing list > > from time to time, and consider you a viable candidate. I > > pose to you the > > same question that I have posed to Hugh Blair (I am still > > awaiting his > > response): > > > > How would you, as a Panelist, act to raise the level of > > discourse among > > the icannatlarge membership, and between the membership and > > its elected > > officers? > > > > This unmoderated mailing list has served as our principal channel of > > communication, but is flawed, in both obvious and subtle > > ways. I personally > > believe (without estimating the numbers) that some persons > > who could have > > been valuable contributors have been driven away, or lost patience. > > > > Joop's forum has its attractions, but is more demanding on > > the user, is less > > universally accessible, and for whatever reason has never > > gained a "critical > > mass" of regular correspondents. > > > > I hope that other nominees who have agreed to stand for the > > Panel election > > also address this question. My vote will importantly depend on the > > candidates' responses. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-unsubscribe@lists.fitug.de > > For additional commands, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-help@lists.fitug.de > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-unsubscribe@lists.fitug.de > For additional commands, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-help@lists.fitug.de >
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