[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
RE: [atlarge-discuss] Real world nominations
If the timezoneproblem could be overcome then it would be a great
solution, where everyone could attend, with limited speech for onlookers
where so desired.
Setting that up would be a 1 minute job
Abel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Waters [mailto:swaters@luy.info]
> Sent: 11 May 2003 03:31
> To: abel@able-towers.com
> Cc: 'Jan Siren'; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Real world nominations
>
>
> Whatever anyone thinks of YJ Park's policies, her idea that
> the Panel should have a weekly meeting was a good one. I
> think a weekly IRC meeting would be simple enough to set up
> and extremely low-tech. Or maybe a group-chat, one-to-many
> instant message thing.
>
> Anyway, it could be like a city council meeting with a set
> agenda voted on the previous week and maybe "voice" votes on
> simple issues.
>
> -s
>
> On Sat, 2003-05-10 at 20:06, Abel Wisman wrote:
> > Jan,
> >
> > Raising participation, conversation and open and frank discussion
> > about the topics that perhaps should and certainly could be of
> > importance to this community, is of a major concern to al lot of
> > people here as has been shown over the past period and on the GA
> > maillist.
> >
> > Several ideas have floated before and some came from me, some from
> > others,.
> >
> > To start of with, the maillist, as we today know and use
> it, has its
> > flaws, certainly, the noise ratio at times can be almost unbearable
> > and personal attacks are hard to prevent without going into
> > censorship. Ideally people would "act adult" and censor themselves,
> > but alas, some subjects are close to the heart and one can become
> > overly passionate about them, sometimes saying or writing
> things that
> > one would not have said after some thought and slightly
> less passion.
> > Then ofcourse there is the occasional "agence provocateur" who
> > skillfully creates reactions like that and or draws the
> attention away
> > from the heart of the topic and willingly disrupts serious
> > discussions.
> >
> > But at all time you have to remain the openess that (f.i.) ICANN
> > misses, which means that you most likely will have to put up with
> > clutter, noise and provocation.
> >
> > Democracy is worth fighting for, and certainly worth wading through
> > clutter and noise, which can be resolved with a delete button.
> >
> > The forums in itself as idea are an excellent addition to the
> > maillist, however experience shows that it is far less
> effective and
> > running/maintaining them can be far more simple then some
> portrait it
> > to be, there are many easily accesible forae available
> online, mostly
> > open source and they give the users the right and
> possibility to start
> > their own discussion, which could perhaps (seeing as those would be
> > topic
> > specific) a very decent alternative.
> > The greatest danger with a forum however is the
> webmaster/forum-admin
> > who can remove postings, block posting, change postings and
> everything
> > else you can imagine, which does not exactly gives a great feeling
> > unless the "admin" is of unquestionable reputation.
> >
> > A panel should have its own maillist, which imo would need a direct
> > archiving open to see for all, after all it is the right of every
> > member to see how the people they voted for are behaving in their
> > chosen capacity.
> >
> > For user participation one could add a "chat" to the
> website, which at
> > the same time would be accesible over any ircd client, as well as
> > direct participation on the website (so called java-chat)
> outside of
> > time-zones being a pain to overcome their, some interesting
> discussion
> > can be held in a so called chat room, we could even
> consider (if the
> > setup would prove succesfull) to allow users to open topic specific
> > rooms.
> >
> > Furthermore if we could use a "php-nuke" like website setup ( there
> > are better solutions then phpnuke available under
> opensource ) which
> > would give the option of running polls on the frontpage
> with instant
> > result. They would of course be "straw-polls" and since one can
> > influence them by multiple voting (unless we would enter
> the scary and
> > unwanted world of "residing and lasting" cookies) but they could be
> > indicative of peoples sentiments.
> >
> > Daily updates of the website, newsletter, news colums and
> individual
> > columns on the webiste, with total and real free speech might also
> > improve communications, but in the end it will all boil down to the
> > user perception of the result of the work done. If we see chance to
> > actually put across an opinion carried by a majority and
> defended by
> > those who care most for that topic, have the knowledge and
> are able to
> > articulate that knowledge like some did on the WLS topic in the GA,
> > more people would be willing to invest time in this group and
> > certainly a lot more would join.
> >
> > If you have any more specific questions or prefer a deeper
> insight in
> > my above opinion, please feel free to ask.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Abel
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jan Siren [mailto:sirenj@earthlink.net]
> > > Sent: 10 May 2003 17:07
> > > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Real world nominations
> > >
> > >
> > > Abel Wisman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > After carefull consideration, and looking somewhat into the near
> > > > future as in terms of time management, I have decided
> to honour the
> > > > nomination I was honoured to receive.
> > > >
> > > > I will send a short cv at the start of the weekend and make that
> > > > available online at the same time.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Abel
> > >
> > > Abel, I have noted the thoughtful posts you have placed on
> > > this mailing list
> > > from time to time, and consider you a viable candidate. I
> > > pose to you the
> > > same question that I have posed to Hugh Blair (I am still
> > > awaiting his
> > > response):
> > >
> > > How would you, as a Panelist, act to raise the level of
> > > discourse among
> > > the icannatlarge membership, and between the membership and
> > > its elected
> > > officers?
> > >
> > > This unmoderated mailing list has served as our principal
> channel of
> > > communication, but is flawed, in both obvious and subtle
> > > ways. I personally
> > > believe (without estimating the numbers) that some persons
> > > who could have
> > > been valuable contributors have been driven away, or lost
> patience.
> > >
> > > Joop's forum has its attractions, but is more demanding on
> > > the user, is less
> > > universally accessible, and for whatever reason has never
> > > gained a "critical
> > > mass" of regular correspondents.
> > >
> > > I hope that other nominees who have agreed to stand for the
> > > Panel election
> > > also address this question. My vote will importantly
> depend on the
> > > candidates' responses.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > -
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-unsubscribe@lists.fitug.de
> > > For additional commands, e-mail:
> atlarge-discuss-help@lists.fitug.de
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-unsubscribe@lists.fitug.de
> > For additional commands, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-help@lists.fitug.de
> >
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-unsubscribe@lists.fitug.de
For additional commands, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-help@lists.fitug.de