/me nods, "Probably just depends on who's elected" -s On Sat, 2003-05-10 at 21:40, Abel Wisman wrote: > If the timezoneproblem could be overcome then it would be a great > solution, where everyone could attend, with limited speech for onlookers > where so desired. > > Setting that up would be a 1 minute job > > Abel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Waters [mailto:swaters@luy.info] > > Sent: 11 May 2003 03:31 > > To: abel@able-towers.com > > Cc: 'Jan Siren'; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de > > Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Real world nominations > > > > > > Whatever anyone thinks of YJ Park's policies, her idea that > > the Panel should have a weekly meeting was a good one. I > > think a weekly IRC meeting would be simple enough to set up > > and extremely low-tech. Or maybe a group-chat, one-to-many > > instant message thing. > > > > Anyway, it could be like a city council meeting with a set > > agenda voted on the previous week and maybe "voice" votes on > > simple issues. > > > > -s > > > > On Sat, 2003-05-10 at 20:06, Abel Wisman wrote: > > > Jan, > > > > > > Raising participation, conversation and open and frank discussion > > > about the topics that perhaps should and certainly could be of > > > importance to this community, is of a major concern to al lot of > > > people here as has been shown over the past period and on the GA > > > maillist. > > > > > > Several ideas have floated before and some came from me, some from > > > others,. > > > > > > To start of with, the maillist, as we today know and use > > it, has its > > > flaws, certainly, the noise ratio at times can be almost unbearable > > > and personal attacks are hard to prevent without going into > > > censorship. Ideally people would "act adult" and censor themselves, > > > but alas, some subjects are close to the heart and one can become > > > overly passionate about them, sometimes saying or writing > > things that > > > one would not have said after some thought and slightly > > less passion. > > > Then ofcourse there is the occasional "agence provocateur" who > > > skillfully creates reactions like that and or draws the > > attention away > > > from the heart of the topic and willingly disrupts serious > > > discussions. > > > > > > But at all time you have to remain the openess that (f.i.) ICANN > > > misses, which means that you most likely will have to put up with > > > clutter, noise and provocation. > > > > > > Democracy is worth fighting for, and certainly worth wading through > > > clutter and noise, which can be resolved with a delete button. > > > > > > The forums in itself as idea are an excellent addition to the > > > maillist, however experience shows that it is far less > > effective and > > > running/maintaining them can be far more simple then some > > portrait it > > > to be, there are many easily accesible forae available > > online, mostly > > > open source and they give the users the right and > > possibility to start > > > their own discussion, which could perhaps (seeing as those would be > > > topic > > > specific) a very decent alternative. > > > The greatest danger with a forum however is the > > webmaster/forum-admin > > > who can remove postings, block posting, change postings and > > everything > > > else you can imagine, which does not exactly gives a great feeling > > > unless the "admin" is of unquestionable reputation. > > > > > > A panel should have its own maillist, which imo would need a direct > > > archiving open to see for all, after all it is the right of every > > > member to see how the people they voted for are behaving in their > > > chosen capacity. > > > > > > For user participation one could add a "chat" to the > > website, which at > > > the same time would be accesible over any ircd client, as well as > > > direct participation on the website (so called java-chat) > > outside of > > > time-zones being a pain to overcome their, some interesting > > discussion > > > can be held in a so called chat room, we could even > > consider (if the > > > setup would prove succesfull) to allow users to open topic specific > > > rooms. > > > > > > Furthermore if we could use a "php-nuke" like website setup ( there > > > are better solutions then phpnuke available under > > opensource ) which > > > would give the option of running polls on the frontpage > > with instant > > > result. They would of course be "straw-polls" and since one can > > > influence them by multiple voting (unless we would enter > > the scary and > > > unwanted world of "residing and lasting" cookies) but they could be > > > indicative of peoples sentiments. > > > > > > Daily updates of the website, newsletter, news colums and > > individual > > > columns on the webiste, with total and real free speech might also > > > improve communications, but in the end it will all boil down to the > > > user perception of the result of the work done. If we see chance to > > > actually put across an opinion carried by a majority and > > defended by > > > those who care most for that topic, have the knowledge and > > are able to > > > articulate that knowledge like some did on the WLS topic in the GA, > > > more people would be willing to invest time in this group and > > > certainly a lot more would join. > > > > > > If you have any more specific questions or prefer a deeper > > insight in > > > my above opinion, please feel free to ask. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Abel > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jan Siren [mailto:sirenj@earthlink.net] > > > > Sent: 10 May 2003 17:07 > > > > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de > > > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Real world nominations > > > > > > > > > > > > Abel Wisman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > After carefull consideration, and looking somewhat into the near > > > > > future as in terms of time management, I have decided > > to honour the > > > > > nomination I was honoured to receive. > > > > > > > > > > I will send a short cv at the start of the weekend and make that > > > > > available online at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Abel > > > > > > > > Abel, I have noted the thoughtful posts you have placed on > > > > this mailing list > > > > from time to time, and consider you a viable candidate. I > > > > pose to you the > > > > same question that I have posed to Hugh Blair (I am still > > > > awaiting his > > > > response): > > > > > > > > How would you, as a Panelist, act to raise the level of > > > > discourse among > > > > the icannatlarge membership, and between the membership and > > > > its elected > > > > officers? > > > > > > > > This unmoderated mailing list has served as our principal > > channel of > > > > communication, but is flawed, in both obvious and subtle > > > > ways. I personally > > > > believe (without estimating the numbers) that some persons > > > > who could have > > > > been valuable contributors have been driven away, or lost > > patience. > > > > > > > > Joop's forum has its attractions, but is more demanding on > > > > the user, is less > > > > universally accessible, and for whatever reason has never > > > > gained a "critical > > > > mass" of regular correspondents. > > > > > > > > I hope that other nominees who have agreed to stand for the > > > > Panel election > > > > also address this question. My vote will importantly > > depend on the > > > > candidates' responses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-unsubscribe@lists.fitug.de > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > atlarge-discuss-help@lists.fitug.de > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-unsubscribe@lists.fitug.de > > > For additional commands, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-help@lists.fitug.de > > > > > > >
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