RE: [atlarge-discuss] last question for Abel Wisman

["Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>]

Dear Joop, 

We have 3 languages at the very least in common, not to mention
birthground and history.

I am not at war with you, or for that matter with anyone on this list or
even on the internet at large.
I am (this all under the still existing assumption that I was indeed
seconded) more then prepared to sit on a panel and work constructively
towards the common goal and upfront agree to disagree with some, and I
might disagree to agree with others and not even on the same topic.

What I simply do not (want to) understand is all the personal attacks on
people, reputations and opionions that people vent. Disagreement, no
matter how strongly felt can be worded courteous instead of ending up in
a flame war.
People in this organization, the actives and non-active members alike,
are a part of this organization because the common goal, a democratic
internet governance that crosses all "real world" boundaries, is of
their interest.
We dispute the legality of the ALAC, ICANN and others like them, we want
global involvement of all those interested and those with "something to
lose or win" whether they are member of a "constituency" or not.
We do not like that the IP world has taken over all the contracts and
rules and bend them in their favor, like the UDRP and we certainly do
not like the music industry deciding what we share with each other by
instignating a court procedure to every student who has the indecency to
share his disks with others.

Yet instead of working with people in the alternative root, the
icann-tld's and others in making this world a better place we decide to
go to war on each other, giving at the same time other the opportunity
to decide our faith.

I for one at this moment in time do not care in the least whether the
other candidates are seconded or not, just in whether they are willing
to do the job and more importantly whether they are able to do the job.
Whether we have 4 or 450 candidates does not matter, those who have the
most votes will be the panel, and if someone is not seconded, then it is
up to her or him to either run or not, if not being seconded was not
enough indication of the probable number of votes to be acquired then
let them await the outcome of the vote and be told by the membership.

Personally I would like to know who seconded me, but as long as I have
the assurance that I was seconded I can live with that. I do not want to
be seconded because some cultures are used to that, nor because we
agreed on it, which we did not as such perse, but because I personally
feel that I am only wasting my time and reputation by running without
any chance of becoming a panelmember.
Now becoming a panel member is not my goal in life, nor something I seek
desperately, however I think I have somehting to contribute and feel
that such is best done as a member of a panel and carrying the
responsibility for what I do.

Your list of nominees consists of people who have taken to participate
in your last poll according to your website, which is a way of
determining a list, but just like Jefsey's list an imperfect one.
In the end the voters decide and no one else, no matter who endorsed
you, those people voting have a brain, and most even a large one, if not
for finding this organisation then at least for sticking with all the
crap that comes by and filtering it out so much that they are aware that
a vote for a new panel is going on.
I suggest we leave the path of bickering and flame-wars, that we agree
all that we can disagree, that we will all vote for the candidate we
think is best to get something goin, and hope for the wisdom of those
chosen to not seek to much power and get this show on the road, so the
collective membership can become active in all those processes we want
to participate in or fight against.

I have no hatchet to bury since I have never dug it up in the first
place.

And I sincerely hope you live long enough to ask me many more questions,
which I will gladly answer, providing the language is respectable.

Kind regards,

Abel 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:terastra@terabytz.co.nz] 
> Sent: 14 May 2003 02:43
> To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: [atlarge-discuss] last question for Abel Wisman
> Importance: High
> 
> 
> Dear Abel,
> 
> If you and I were to sit on a panel together, would you be 
> willing and able 
> to make peace ?
> 
> -joop-
> 
> 
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