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RE: [atlarge-discuss] Bruce' s list
Hmmm, I must be missing something. While I tend to agree and abhor
censorship of any kind, I do not see where it relates to this thread.
For you to mention it and shout about its ugly head could be considered
inflammatory and obfuscating. What's your point?
Regards T'all,
Jeff Holt
The Tall Tejas Traveler
Life is Too Short.....
NOT to be Tall!
www.tejas-info-services.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:42 AM
To: Jeff Holt
Cc: 'Joop Teernstra'; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Bruce' s list
Jeff and all fellow members,
This is an open and transparent discuss list. It should remain so,
lest
there be censorship. CENSORSHIP IN ANY OF IT'S UGLY FORMS
IS WRONG! If we head towards any form of censorship on this
or any other public discussion list/ML for this fledgling organization
we shall become self defeating our goal as represented in the
policy decisions in Internet policy now and certainly more so in the
near and far future.
Jeff Holt wrote:
> @Large members;
>
> Lots of discussion to digest this morning. Speaking of digest, would
it
> be possible for this email list to have that option such as is
available
> on other Group/Community forums, i.e. Yahoo? Which brings to mind,
why
> reinvent the wheel with any such phpBB "forum" when a more respectable
> solution might be to take advantage of the programming prowess of
Yahoo
> or MSN perhaps? Anyway, I digress....
>
> The URL for the voting page below is out-of-date, appears to be some
who
> are listed as Accepted who in reality have withdrawn. To me, this is
> another argument for consolidating all ICANN @Large related discussion
> groups into a Yahoo or MSN or SmartGroups or SOMETHING that may be
> considered at least predominantly :official" and which may be
> centralized.
>
> Also, I agree wholeheartedly with a previous Poster (Abel I believe)
> about this forum NOT being a place where personal invective should be
> allowed or tolerated. Stand by, more to come on the rest of the list.
>
> Regards T'all,
>
> Jeff Holt
> The Tall Tejas Traveler
>
> Life is Too Short.....
> NOT to be Tall!
> www.tejas-info-services.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:terastra@terabytz.co.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:32 PM
> To: abel@able-towers.com; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Bruce' s list
>
> At 10:36 p.m. 13/05/2003, you wrote:
> >If I could find this list, I would be a lot wiser.
>
> www.icannatlarge.org/voting.htm
>
> Information about Nominators and seconds is missing here and the list
> has
> not been updated for a week.
>
> >I have been asking whether my nomination was seconded for some time,
> and
> >have been reading that such was the case.
>
> That's called hearsay.
> The voters need to be able to check from the archives.
>
> >In accordance with some rules that the seconding need not be public
> >(weird but for now I can live with it) the who and why was not
> >disclosed.
>
> Non-public (secret) Nominations or seconds are not democratic.
>
> >If it comes to publicly seconded nominees, then there are far less
then
> >this "list" suggests, since those endorsements should then be posted
to
> >this list by the person seconding the nominee. Though paying
reasonable
> >close attention I have seen very very few, if any.
>
> True.
>
> >If seconding in the polling booth on Joop's site by anonymous people
is
> >counted as seconding then I do not see why the anon seconding from
the
> >panel should be treated differently.
>
> The Polling Booth exercise was announced as pre-nomination intended to
> increase participation in the Nomination process. Since the resulting
> list
> does not mention Nominators/seconders individually, only in aggregate,
> they
> are strictly speaking not valid Nominations and they should be
validated
> by
> Public Seconding.
>
> Jefsey ought to extend the time for this to happen if he wants to
> restore
> the credibility of the process.
>
> >I do repeat however that in the case I am not seconded I will
> definitely
> >not be a candidate, despite my earlier acceptance under the
impression
> >of being seconded.
>
> You can be excused for accepting because of the phrasing of Jefsey's
> mail
> to you.
>
> >Dual nomination is seconding as well was stated, in which case I will
> >disregard the seconding by Claude Thiellet, since it is not clear
that
> >he is "his own man" or imaginary (strange that this all of a sudden
> >becomes an issue)
>
> It becomes an issue because Jefsey and his "polling committee"
neglected
> to
> close the voters' list at the time of the election announcement.
> If you look at the members list on www.icannatlarge.org, there has
been
> a
> recent influx of spurious ("Ali Bali") and double entries, who may
> receive
> double ballots.
>
> -joop-
>
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