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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Bruce' s list
Jeff and all fellow members,
First of all I was not shouting but exclaiming, hence my appropriate
use of the "!" in my comments/remarks below.
Now to your more relevant question.
My point was in acceptance and recognition of your previous
comments/remarks on this thread (See below my previous post),
and in particular the following comment/remark in your previous
post: "Also, I agree wholeheartedly with a previous Poster (Abel I believe)
about this forum NOT being a place where personal invective should be
allowed or tolerated." <--- This would therefore seem to be indirectly
suggesting that some arbitrary "Rule" for a public discuss or ML would
be a adequate method of eliminating " personal invective " based on
a value judgment of some sort. That would be a ugly form of
Censorship as I was enumerating.
Is that a little clearer for you Jeff H? Please advise
Jeff Holt wrote:
> Hmmm, I must be missing something. While I tend to agree and abhor
> censorship of any kind, I do not see where it relates to this thread.
> For you to mention it and shout about its ugly head could be considered
> inflammatory and obfuscating. What's your point?
>
> Regards T'all,
>
> Jeff Holt
> The Tall Tejas Traveler
>
> Life is Too Short.....
> NOT to be Tall!
> www.tejas-info-services.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:42 AM
> To: Jeff Holt
> Cc: 'Joop Teernstra'; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Bruce' s list
>
> Jeff and all fellow members,
>
> This is an open and transparent discuss list. It should remain so,
> lest
> there be censorship. CENSORSHIP IN ANY OF IT'S UGLY FORMS
> IS WRONG! If we head towards any form of censorship on this
> or any other public discussion list/ML for this fledgling organization
> we shall become self defeating our goal as represented in the
> policy decisions in Internet policy now and certainly more so in the
> near and far future.
>
> Jeff Holt wrote:
>
> > @Large members;
> >
> > Lots of discussion to digest this morning. Speaking of digest, would
> it
> > be possible for this email list to have that option such as is
> available
> > on other Group/Community forums, i.e. Yahoo? Which brings to mind,
> why
> > reinvent the wheel with any such phpBB "forum" when a more respectable
> > solution might be to take advantage of the programming prowess of
> Yahoo
> > or MSN perhaps? Anyway, I digress....
> >
> > The URL for the voting page below is out-of-date, appears to be some
> who
> > are listed as Accepted who in reality have withdrawn. To me, this is
> > another argument for consolidating all ICANN @Large related discussion
> > groups into a Yahoo or MSN or SmartGroups or SOMETHING that may be
> > considered at least predominantly :official" and which may be
> > centralized.
> >
> > Also, I agree wholeheartedly with a previous Poster (Abel I believe)
> > about this forum NOT being a place where personal invective should be
> > allowed or tolerated. Stand by, more to come on the rest of the list.
> >
> > Regards T'all,
> >
> > Jeff Holt
> > The Tall Tejas Traveler
> >
> > Life is Too Short.....
> > NOT to be Tall!
> > www.tejas-info-services.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:terastra@terabytz.co.nz]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:32 PM
> > To: abel@able-towers.com; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Bruce' s list
> >
> > At 10:36 p.m. 13/05/2003, you wrote:
> > >If I could find this list, I would be a lot wiser.
> >
> > www.icannatlarge.org/voting.htm
> >
> > Information about Nominators and seconds is missing here and the list
> > has
> > not been updated for a week.
> >
> > >I have been asking whether my nomination was seconded for some time,
> > and
> > >have been reading that such was the case.
> >
> > That's called hearsay.
> > The voters need to be able to check from the archives.
> >
> > >In accordance with some rules that the seconding need not be public
> > >(weird but for now I can live with it) the who and why was not
> > >disclosed.
> >
> > Non-public (secret) Nominations or seconds are not democratic.
> >
> > >If it comes to publicly seconded nominees, then there are far less
> then
> > >this "list" suggests, since those endorsements should then be posted
> to
> > >this list by the person seconding the nominee. Though paying
> reasonable
> > >close attention I have seen very very few, if any.
> >
> > True.
> >
> > >If seconding in the polling booth on Joop's site by anonymous people
> is
> > >counted as seconding then I do not see why the anon seconding from
> the
> > >panel should be treated differently.
> >
> > The Polling Booth exercise was announced as pre-nomination intended to
> > increase participation in the Nomination process. Since the resulting
> > list
> > does not mention Nominators/seconders individually, only in aggregate,
> > they
> > are strictly speaking not valid Nominations and they should be
> validated
> > by
> > Public Seconding.
> >
> > Jefsey ought to extend the time for this to happen if he wants to
> > restore
> > the credibility of the process.
> >
> > >I do repeat however that in the case I am not seconded I will
> > definitely
> > >not be a candidate, despite my earlier acceptance under the
> impression
> > >of being seconded.
> >
> > You can be excused for accepting because of the phrasing of Jefsey's
> > mail
> > to you.
> >
> > >Dual nomination is seconding as well was stated, in which case I will
> > >disregard the seconding by Claude Thiellet, since it is not clear
> that
> > >he is "his own man" or imaginary (strange that this all of a sudden
> > >becomes an issue)
> >
> > It becomes an issue because Jefsey and his "polling committee"
> neglected
> > to
> > close the voters' list at the time of the election announcement.
> > If you look at the members list on www.icannatlarge.org, there has
> been
> > a
> > recent influx of spurious ("Ali Bali") and double entries, who may
> > receive
> > double ballots.
> >
> > -joop-
> >
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> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
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