Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-candidates] for information

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Sotiris and all fellow members,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> I DO NOT TRUST JEFSEY, BRUCE, AND ERIC TO RUN A FAIR
> ELECTION!!!!

  Ditto here!  And this is in part why I will not participate and refused

nomination as one of many of Jefsey's "Nominations" of other folks
that have yet to participate in discussions until Jefsey, Eric, and Bruce

started this whole fiasco.

>
>
> 1)  I DON'T UNDERSTAND MOST OF WHAT JEFSEY WRITES TO THESE
> LISTS, AND HIS HANDLING OF THIS "ELECTION" HAS BEEN
> UNETHICAL, HAPHAZARD, AND DOWNRIGHT CONVOLUTED TO DATE...
> WHO CAN STAND BY THE RESULTS WITH ANY CONFIDENCE?

  No one can or willing the end.  It is just another of Jefsey's ideas
that has gone far off course.

>
>
> 2)  BRUCE IS ON AGAIN OFF AGAIN (MORE OFF THAN ON!)AND HAS
> SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE TROUBLING IRREGULARITIES OF THIS
> "ELECTION".

  What can he really say.  He is in pretty deep in this scam.

>
>
> 3)  I CERTAINLY DON'T TRUST ERIC DIERKER FOR REASONS THAT I
> SHARED WITH MANY OF YOU BACK ON THE GA LIST NOT SO LONG AGO...

  Well I did trust him until this fiasco/fraud of an election started and
also
when he so readily excepted that he was instantly a "Panel" member
by default after we decided that there was no "Panel" and so many
had resigned from the original "Panel".  That nixed it with me on Eric.

>
>
> 4.)  I DON'T KNOW WHO THE WATCHDOGS ARE AT THIS POINT! OR IF
> THERE ARE ANY LEFT!!

  THere are no "Official" Watchdogs as none have been elected or even
agreed upon by the members in any fashion.

>
>
> LET ME REPEAT:  I DO NOT TRUST THE THREE OF THEM TO RUN A
> FAIR ELECTION.

  Understood and I also agree!

>
>
> --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
> J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
>
>  > for your information:
>  >
>  > 1. the site has been updated to reflect the current situation
>  >     - the voting page now includes the solgan and urls of
> the candidates
>  >     - the election page has been updated - hopefully in a
> way that
>  > even Joop will accept.
>  >
>  > 2. I am expecting the edited list of questions from reviewers
>  >     I hoped I could close shop in one hour ... so I leave
> no to
>  > preserve the peace of my family.
>  >     I will come back later on. I hope I will receive the
> missing
>  > slogan by that time.
>  >
>  > Let me repeat the way the vote will happen.
>  >
>  > 1. I will send all the VID with emails to the Polling
> Committee Members.
>  >     They have the current ID but there is 2 letters in
> additions
>  > (necessary after JW leaked his VID)
>  > 2. I will send all the VID without emails to the Watchdogs
>  > 3. I will zip that file under password and put on the
> site where every
>  > can copy it.
>  > 4. I will send the ballot to the members. This being a
> private mail of
>  > around 12K will take several hours and may break. I will
> do it again
>  > before the end of the week for the Members who did not vote.
>  > 5. when the votes are returned they will be anonymized by
> Mailman and
>  > sent in copy to every Polling Committee Members and Watchdog.
>  > 6. many ballot will however be returned as faulty.
> Because the address
>  > does not exist anymore or because the ballot is larger
> than 10K. In
>  > the first case I will remove the Member from the list and
> will publish
>  > it. In second case I will run a second sending by
> mid-week with two
>  > mails.
>  > 7. at the end of the vote I will reread all the voting
> lines in one
>  > single file and will copy that file on the site. I will
> also add in he
>  > voting line the number of the received ballot;
>  > 8. I will release the VID zipped file password.
>  > 9. I will filter the file (any can do that too)
>  > The Watchdogs will be in a position to say if voting
> lines are
>  > missing. Everyone will be in a position to discard the
> fake voting
>  > lines. What will count will be the first completed ballot
> (ie with one
>  > single vote). The first received ballot will be an empty
> ballot in the
>  > case the ballot is returned. This way everyone will know
> if a ballot
>  > has been returned or duplicated.
>  > 10. The raw result to each question will be obtained in
> extracting the
>  > questions.
>  > 11. they will then have to be inspected for "blurs" in
> the vote. Only
>  > "Y" will be considered as a vote.
>  > 12. this will make the results. I suspect that there will
> be a lot of
>  > Florida like disputes which will keep some animation on
> the list.
>  >
>  > Take care.
>  > jfc
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>
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> ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing
> absolutely.
> But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena,
> just as for
> modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.
>
>  >From this fundamental difference between the view held by
> history
> and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that
> jurisprudence can tell
> minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
> power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's
> questions
> about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can
> answer
> nothing."
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Regards,

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