Re: [atlarge-discuss] $1 verification.

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Sotiris and all fellow members,

  How do you address a member that doesn't choose to use
PayPal, does not have a digital cert and does not wish to obtain one,
AND has several checking accounts but cannot write a check
on them for less than $100.00 US given your scenario below
Sotiris?  And if using a checking account for validation which
sounds pretty wild and off base to me, do you protect that
that members account number is not used for nefarious
purposes and/or guarantee their personal and financial privacy?
In fact how do we as an organization verify that such a
checking account is even valid to the person/member
using said checking account and do so online without
jeopardizing that persons personal privacy or financial
security/privacy?  There are several ways of accomplishing this
online of course, but I want to hear/read your answer Sotiris...


Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> James S. Tyre wrote:
>
> > Think of what I'm saying as being similar to the PGP
> >ring of trust (which is unique to the Internet), but better.  As it
> >happens, I've never gotten around to having my key signed by anyone,
> >because I usually only use it for confidential attorney-client
> >communications, where the client already knows I'm me.  But suppose Karl
> >signed it, and that's all you knew.  Is it not better if Karl says "I've
> >worked very closely with Tyre for a long time, sometimes he's very weird,
> >but he is who he says he is?"  If all you knew was that he signed my key,
> >you wouldn't know if, for example, he did it in a drunken stupor, with no
> >real idea of who I am.  ;-)
> >
> >Then add on notes from, say, John Gilmore, Barbara Simons, Brewster Kahle,
> >you get the picture.  Not a 100% guarantee, but closer, I think, than
> >PayPal, a digital certificate or a PGP key-signing.
> >
>
> I am paying attention.  I have a few questions for you: 1)By what
> mechanism do you suppose such a note-signing method could be implmented?
>
> >
> >The "key" is for the person doing the vouching to state the relevant
> >circumstance.  If you vouch for Alice saying you met her once briefly,
> >that's one thing.  If you vouch for Alice saying you've worked with her for
> >three years, that's another.  And your vouching for Alice does not extend
> >to Alice's vouching for Bob.
> >
>
> 2) So who will decide who gets to vouch for who, and how many vouchers
> will there ultimately be?
>
> > Trust in the person doing the vouching is
> >relevant, as with PGP key-signing.
> >
> >I wouldn't presume to know what notarial requirements are in Canada (or any
> >other country), but at least here in California, all you need to do is
> >produce a state driver's license or equivalent ID, which are as easy as pie
> >to make or obtain.  Others certainly may differ, but I'd put much more
> >trust in your statement that you've worked with Alice for three years than
> >in Alice producing the equivalent of a notarized document, particularly if
> >the notarial acknowledgment is as near-worthless wherever she may be as it
> >is here.
> >
>
> 3) Considering your antipathy for Paypal (whatever your reasons), would
> you perhaps be more amenable to having Alice issue a personal cheque of
> $1.00 as a donation to join this organization?  A personal cheque once
> cleared by her bank would be pretty solid verification of her identity,
> and she'd be helping the organization in two ways.
>
> [If I had a friend, Alice, who didn't have a digital certificate and
> didn't want to use Paypal or something similar, I'm certain that Alice
> wouldn't mind making out a personal cheque for exactly $1.00 to a
> worthwhile cause she intended to support of her own volition.]
>
> --Sotiris  Sotiropoulos

Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
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