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Re: [atlarge-discuss] $1 verification.



At 05:52 PM 5/25/2003 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:

>
>
> BTW, in another post on this thread, you said something about recording all
> your outgoing and incoming calls.  I hope you meant that you record only
> the fact that the call was placed or received, not the conversation
> itself.  Recording telephone conversations without consent of the other
> party is illegal in many states, including mine, and if you were recording
> our conversation, you did so without my knowledge or consent.

Nope I didn't mean that James T.  All conversations to me or by
me are duly recorded.  And in Texas it is quite legal.  In any event,
I have publicly announced this fact over two years ago on the DNSO
GA list.
You need to separately look at three scenarios: 1) an intra-state Texas call; 2) an interstate call placed to you in Texas; and 3) an interstate call placed by you to someone outside of Texas. In scenario 3, don't assume that Texas law would insulate you if recording without consent is unlawful in the state to which you placed the call.

As far as announcing it on the DNSO GA list, do you assume everyone read that list two years ago? Do you assume that everyone reads every word you post?


> Not that I'm interested in bringing an action against you, don't worry
> about that, but I'd have good reason to be peeved if you recorded the
> conversation without my knowledge.

  I am sorry if you would be peeved. :( That's unfortunate to be sure
as I like you personally.  But be that as it may, I don't live in California,
and in Texas I can record any conversation I so choose.  So I choose
as per my legal council's recommendation and for my own protection
to record ALL phone conversations as well as save any and all
correspondence of any kind.  Thank god here in Texas we reserve the
right of free choice still.  And as I said and if you check the archives
of the DNSO GA list, I have publicly announced that all telephone
conversations to me or from me are duly recorded unless on the rare
occasion I choose to disengage that feature.
1) see above re further legal analysis you need to do;
2) I wasn't peeved because of anything specific I said that perhaps I might not have said if I knew you were recording; I was peeved on general principle, that you did not tell me you were recording. Particularly where, as in the case of that call, you were trying to pump information from me, don't you think that it would have been the barest minimum of human courtesy, not to mention openness and transparency, regardless of what the law may be, to mention it? I think it was friggin' rude of you not to, again without regard to the law or to the specifics of what was said.

And BTW, I was not subscribed to the DNSO GA list two years ago, nor were many here now. When you called and gave your name, would you reasonably expect me to think to myself "Oh, it's Jeff Williams, I better do a quick search of every post he's ever made before talking to him?"

Others have attacked your character, I have not. But your words here have had a more profound effect on my view of you than anything you've ever written before. Do not plan on calling me again.

My apologies to the rest of this list for all of this exchange. I started it not even having in mind that one fateful call with Jeff, trying only to articulate a substantive point that possibly had merit, possibly didn't. I end it here.

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