[atlarge-discuss] Attn: Sotiris again! to: Re: [atlarge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: [Panel] Proposal for agenda]

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

John and all fellow members,

  Indeed your are right even Pay Pal is clear that they are not
an identity validator for all persons or any person.

See:
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/verification-faq-outside
In particular: " Please note that PayPal's verification system does not
constitute an endorsement of a member, nor a guarantee of a member's
business practices."

 Also see: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0305/msg01144.html
 http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg00401.html

  Sotiris is only trying to eliminate some members if they do not use
Pay Pal.  I won't use Pay Pal for well publicized reasons I have
posted to this forum just a few days ago see archives of this
Forum at: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/  I have already
given my bonifides four times yet Sotiris does not except them
for reasons that he has yet to provide or explain.
Also other members have verified me
See: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0305/msg01089.html
and as far as I know I am the only member here that
has any press notation regarding stakeholder/user
participation in policy and regulation matters,
See: http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article/0,,8_911711,00.html
and I have sent Sotiris my PGP keys as well here to this
forum. In addition, I am registered with the DOC/NTIA
as a bonified interested party under the ICANN contracted
MoU and White Paper.
See:
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/proposals/ineginc/ineginc.htm

John Billias wrote:

>   I have to admit, I find this identity authentication issue to be
> quite interesting.  I have a few points I wish to make with respect to
> Paypal:  I do not think it is a foolproof method of identity
> authentication, but it can be effective when combined with other
> methods.  But, I will say that it is at least trustworthy to some
> extent, whereas a mere phone call or photocopied and scanned
> identification materials are not.  I like the idea of Special Delivery
> mail.  I also think that a digital certificate is another good way to
> check identity online and may actually be the only real answer to this
> issue if there is one.
>
> There is one further thing I wish to comment on.  The issue of someone
> using someone else's Paypal account to verify themselves.  In the case
> of Mr. Joe Bordo I think it would not be wise to set such a
> precedent.  Not because it would not be a good idea to put much trust
> in an individual who is sixty years old and does not have a bank
> account or credit card in his own name.  Rather this could set off a
> spate of such proxy identifications which can lead us to no good end.
> I am not so much concerned with the question of whether or not Mr.
> Bordo's mother knows her son is using her Paypal account.  I am more
> concerned with the idea that this may have a negative impact on proper
> personal authentication of individuals in the future.  It may lead to
> a relaxed and too flexible authentication scheme.  I am wary of people
> who use the identities or good name of others to establish themselves.
>
>
> Perhaps I said too much.  But that is what was on my mind.
>
> JB
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com> wrote:
>
>
> Martha Gottlieb wrote:
>
> > Hi Sotiris -
> > I have just sent $1.00 to Joe Borda by Paypal. Since he is the
> > only person so far to have been nominated and seconded for the
> > chairmanship of the Membership Committee, it seemed logical to send
> it
> > to him.
>
>
> I just want to remind you that technically speaking, you did not send
> anything to Joe G. Bordo. You sent it to his mother and she is not a
> member of this organization.
>
> >
> > I'm looking forward to a productive time on this committee. I
> > hope we will all work toward developing means to verify the
> > fascinating concept of individual identity.
>
>
> Fascinating indeed. Much like your sudden appearance out of nowhere, I
>
> might add. Forgive me for wondering, but why all of a sudden do you
> appear out of the blue and take such an active interest in this
> organization? Tell us a litle bit about yourself, please.
>
> >
> > There is no reason I can see to rotate the chairmanship. Let's
> > elect a chair and get on with it. We are taking a lot of time,
> > spinning our wheels; adelante!
>
>
> The time schedule is set, the Committee is not finalized yet, there
> may
> yet be others who want to join it. It's nice to see you with such an
> apparent appetite for work, we'll see how you perform (or not) in
> time.
>
> --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
>
>
>
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