[atlarge-discuss] Re: Provisional Membership Committee

[Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>]

I was called away from my computer earlier and tried sending emails to 
this group via my handheld, but I'm unsure if anyone received them.

I cannot agree with Ron's "report" on the findings of the Provisional 
Membership Committee.  I wish to disassociate myself from any kind of 
approval or support for his "report" at this time.

Also, let me point out that Abel Wisman, to my knowledge, never 
volunteered to work on the Provisional Membership Committee so I cannot 
understand why Ron would include his name at the bottom of his "report". 
 That being the case, Ron, it is quite clear that of the remaining 8 
volunteers you list as members of the Provisional Membership Committee 
at the tail end of your "report", no less than 50% have distanced 
themselves from your report.  Hence, your "report" is not a consensus 
document, so I cannot understand how you can possibly claim any kind of 
"consensus" with which I "dissented".  there is obviously no consensus, 
and making that claim is a patently false assertion.


--Sotiris Sotiropoulos

Joanna Lane wrote:

> Ah, here it is...I see you have included my name. Please remove it 
> until I have time to review. I will endorse it later or submit 
> comments separately as appropriate.
> Thanks,
> Joanna
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Ron Sherwood [mailto:sherwood@islands.vi]
>     Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 8:18 PM
>     To: Joop Teernstra
>     Cc: Joey Borda **star*walker**; Kristen Doyle; Martha Gottlieb;
>     Jeff Holt; Joanna Lane; A/S Mauro D. Ríos; Micheal Sherrill; Ron
>     Sherwood; Sotiris Sotiropoulos; Jeff Williams; Abel Wisman; IAL
>     Subject: Provional Membership Committee
>
>     Dear Joop:
>      
>     I do not know if the Panel has elected a Chairperson or not. I
>     therefore send the following reort to you as the Panel member who
>     earned the highest number of votes in the recent @Large election.
>      
>     Please find below the report of the Provisional Membership Committee.
>      
>     This committee was not authorized by your Panel due to the fact
>     that no Panel was in place at the time members were asked to
>     volunteer to look into allegations that non-persons (unverified
>     Internet persona) may have been included as canndidates and
>     elected to office.
>      
>     The committee udertook to use the 24 hour period from 00:00Zulu
>     Saturday to 00:00Zulu Sunday to look into these allegations and to
>     attempt to determine if the elected Panel members had complied
>     with three conditions requested by some members.  Those simple
>     requirements were:
>      
>     1) that the elected Panel member be a real person and verified as
>     such.
>     2) that the elected Panel member declare her / his willingness to
>     serve on the Panel for a time certain.
>     3) that the elected Panel member make hemself or herself known to
>     the membership they are elected to serve by way of an introductory
>     post to the atLarge-discuss list.
>      
>     Our report and addenda are copied below.
>      
>     Respectfully, Ron Sherwood
>      
>     We, the members of the Provisional Membership Committee wish to
>     advise the
>     elected Panel and our @Large membership that during the past 24
>     hours we
>     have determined that:
>
>     1) All elected Panel members are real persons and not artificial
>     persona. (With the exception of two members, which comments are
>     set as addenda (i) and (ii) below.)
>      
>     2) a number of elected Panelists have declined to respond to
>     members requests to
>     introduce themselves to the membership on the atlarge-discuss list.
>     3) one elected Panelist, Sebastian Klein, has declined to
>     confirm a willingness to work
>     on the Panel for a time certain.
>     4) one Panel member,Sebastian Klein, has not responded to any
>     email requests and has
>     failed to post to any of this organization's fora.  It is a
>     possibility that
>     Sebastian Klein is on vacation or incommunicado for some other
>     reason, but we
>     find it unreasonable that this Panelist has not asked to be
>     excused from
>     attending meetings of the Panel or posting on the atLarge-discuss
>     list.
>      
>     5) It is our recommendation to the Panel that:
>
>     a) All unknown Panelists be required to introduce themselves to the
>     membership on the atLarge-discuss list. (With the exception of one
>     member
>     which comment is set as addendum (iii) below.)
>     b) Sebastian Klein be contacted and advised that his failure to
>     attend three
>     consecutive meetings or his failure to vote on three consecutive
>     motions
>     will lead to his automatic resignation from the Panel. (With the
>     exception of one member
>     which comment is set as addendum (iv) below.)
>     c) if, for any reason, Sebastian Klein (or any other Panelist)
>     resigns from the
>     Panel, The next highest, qualified, vote-getter should be asked to
>     join the
>     Panel as a replacement.
>      
>     Addendum (i)  Sotiris Sotiropoulos dissented from that consensus
>     with the following notation:
>     "No. No. No.  We have established nothing of the kind.  I cannot
>     agree."
>     Addendum (ii)  Micheal Sherril dissented from the consensus with
>     the following notation:
>     "No, we have not established that statement for certain"
>     Addendum (iii)  Micheal Sherril dissented from the consensus with
>     the following notation:
>     "If they have not introduced themselves to the atLarge discuss
>     list by this
>     deadline this is a moot point.  Recommend the boot, instead.  They
>     have already
>     been asked several times to do this."
>     Addendum (iv)  Micheal Sherril dissented from the consensus with
>     the following notation:
>     "Same as above.  Klein has missed the deadline.  Recommend the
>     boot, instead.
>
>     Eleven members volunteered to work on this committee, nine members
>     participated.
>      
>     The nine participants are:
>     Joey Borda
>     Jeff Holt
>     Kristen Doyle
>     Martha Gotlieb
>     Joanna Lane
>     Micheal Sherril
>     Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>     Abel Wisman
>     Ron Sherwood.
>      
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"The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena, just as for
modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.

> From this fundamental difference between the view held by history
and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that jurisprudence can tell
minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's questions
about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can answer
nothing."
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