Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Provisional Membership Committee

[Yue You Fidget <fidget@netcitytw.com>]

Yes something not so.  Many things not so.  Vote not right.  Someone in control? Please find.

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--- Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com> wrote:
>I was called away from my computer earlier and tried sending emails to 
>this group via my handheld, but I'm unsure if anyone received them.
>
>I cannot agree with Ron's "report" on the findings of the Provisional 
>Membership Committee.  I wish to disassociate myself from any kind of 
>approval or support for his "report" at this time.
>
>Also, let me point out that Abel Wisman, to my knowledge, never 
>volunteered to work on the Provisional Membership Committee so I cannot 
>understand why Ron would include his name at the bottom of his "report". 
>  That being the case, Ron, it is quite clear that of the remaining 8 
>volunteers you list as members of the Provisional Membership Committee 
>at the tail end of your "report", no less than 50% have distanced 
>themselves from your report.  Hence, your "report" is not a consensus 
>document, so I cannot understand how you can possibly claim any kind of 
>"consensus" with which I "dissented".  there is obviously no consensus, 
>and making that claim is a patently false assertion.
>
>
>--Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
>Joanna Lane wrote:
>
>> Ah, here it is...I see you have included my name. Please remove it 
>> until I have time to review. I will endorse it later or submit 
>> comments separately as appropriate.
>> Thanks,
>> Joanna
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: Ron Sherwood [mailto:sherwood@islands.vi]
>>     Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 8:18 PM
>>     To: Joop Teernstra
>>     Cc: Joey Borda **star*walker**; Kristen Doyle; Martha Gottlieb;
>>     Jeff Holt; Joanna Lane; A/S Mauro D. Ríos; Micheal Sherrill; Ron
>>     Sherwood; Sotiris Sotiropoulos; Jeff Williams; Abel Wisman; IAL
>>     Subject: Provional Membership Committee
>>
>>     Dear Joop:
>>      
>>     I do not know if the Panel has elected a Chairperson or not. I
>>     therefore send the following reort to you as the Panel member who
>>     earned the highest number of votes in the recent @Large election.
>>      
>>     Please find below the report of the Provisional Membership Committee.
>>      
>>     This committee was not authorized by your Panel due to the fact
>>     that no Panel was in place at the time members were asked to
>>     volunteer to look into allegations that non-persons (unverified
>>     Internet persona) may have been included as canndidates and
>>     elected to office.
>>      
>>     The committee udertook to use the 24 hour period from 00:00Zulu
>>     Saturday to 00:00Zulu Sunday to look into these allegations and to
>>     attempt to determine if the elected Panel members had complied
>>     with three conditions requested by some members.  Those simple
>>     requirements were:
>>      
>>     1) that the elected Panel member be a real person and verified as
>>     such.
>>     2) that the elected Panel member declare her / his willingness to
>>     serve on the Panel for a time certain.
>>     3) that the elected Panel member make hemself or herself known to
>>     the membership they are elected to serve by way of an introductory
>>     post to the atLarge-discuss list.
>>      
>>     Our report and addenda are copied below.
>>      
>>     Respectfully, Ron Sherwood
>>      
>>     We, the members of the Provisional Membership Committee wish to
>>     advise the
>>     elected Panel and our @Large membership that during the past 24
>>     hours we
>>     have determined that:
>>
>>     1) All elected Panel members are real persons and not artificial
>>     persona. (With the exception of two members, which comments are
>>     set as addenda (i) and (ii) below.)
>>      
>>     2) a number of elected Panelists have declined to respond to
>>     members requests to
>>     introduce themselves to the membership on the atlarge-discuss list.
>>     3) one elected Panelist, Sebastian Klein, has declined to
>>     confirm a willingness to work
>>     on the Panel for a time certain.
>>     4) one Panel member,Sebastian Klein, has not responded to any
>>     email requests and has
>>     failed to post to any of this organization's fora.  It is a
>>     possibility that
>>     Sebastian Klein is on vacation or incommunicado for some other
>>     reason, but we
>>     find it unreasonable that this Panelist has not asked to be
>>     excused from
>>     attending meetings of the Panel or posting on the atLarge-discuss
>>     list.
>>      
>>     5) It is our recommendation to the Panel that:
>>
>>     a) All unknown Panelists be required to introduce themselves to the
>>     membership on the atLarge-discuss list. (With the exception of one
>>     member
>>     which comment is set as addendum (iii) below.)
>>     b) Sebastian Klein be contacted and advised that his failure to
>>     attend three
>>     consecutive meetings or his failure to vote on three consecutive
>>     motions
>>     will lead to his automatic resignation from the Panel. (With the
>>     exception of one member
>>     which comment is set as addendum (iv) below.)
>>     c) if, for any reason, Sebastian Klein (or any other Panelist)
>>     resigns from the
>>     Panel, The next highest, qualified, vote-getter should be asked to
>>     join the
>>     Panel as a replacement.
>>      
>>     Addendum (i)  Sotiris Sotiropoulos dissented from that consensus
>>     with the following notation:
>>     "No. No. No.  We have established nothing of the kind.  I cannot
>>     agree."
>>     Addendum (ii)  Micheal Sherril dissented from the consensus with
>>     the following notation:
>>     "No, we have not established that statement for certain"
>>     Addendum (iii)  Micheal Sherril dissented from the consensus with
>>     the following notation:
>>     "If they have not introduced themselves to the atLarge discuss
>>     list by this
>>     deadline this is a moot point.  Recommend the boot, instead.  They
>>     have already
>>     been asked several times to do this."
>>     Addendum (iv)  Micheal Sherril dissented from the consensus with
>>     the following notation:
>>     "Same as above.  Klein has missed the deadline.  Recommend the
>>     boot, instead.
>>
>>     Eleven members volunteered to work on this committee, nine members
>>     participated.
>>      
>>     The nine participants are:
>>     Joey Borda
>>     Jeff Holt
>>     Kristen Doyle
>>     Martha Gotlieb
>>     Joanna Lane
>>     Micheal Sherril
>>     Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>>     Abel Wisman
>>     Ron Sherwood.
>>      
>>
>
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>"The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
>ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
>But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena, just as for
>modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.
>
>From this fundamental difference between the view held by history
>and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that jurisprudence can tell
>minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
>power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's questions
>about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can answer
>nothing."
>				     --Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"
>
>
>
>
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