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Re: [atlarge-discuss] list confrontation(s)
At 10:50 AM 6/9/2003 +1200, Joop Teernstra wrote:
Thank you, Joop.
A limited number of admittedly nit-picky comments, some of which I might
not bother to make if this wasn't a first draft.
Absent is an absolute limit on the number of posts one can make in a given
time period, only a portion of the question is addressed in your 6. Though
I am very sympathetic to Bruce's situation, I think we need an absolute
limit, on account of others. (And to one of those others, it's easy enough
to verify that I have spent much of my professional life fighting
censorship, but a posting limit is not censorship.) I have not thought
through either what the limit should be or whether panelists should have a
higher limit (or no limit), assuming the software has that flexibility.
In the second part of your 3, please swap out "slanderous" for
"libelous." Slander is oral defamation, libel is written defamation. At
least in the U.S. the law is clear that things written on the Net (as
opposed, to, for example, a streamed audio) are governed by the rules for
libel, which are slightly different than those for slander.
In your 4a, I disagree with the notion that someone need only say "false"
or "please retract" to put the burden on the original poster, who would
face possible consequences if the actions you describe are not taken. As
the one saying "false" or "please retract" presumably knows why the
original post is false or should be retracted, that person should be
required to make an initial showing, not just a bare statement, before the
initial poster should be required to do anything.
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