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[atlarge-discuss] this is intolerable!

I think it's time we asked Thomas to put a limit on the number of lines that can be quoted on this Mailing List as some people haven't got a f**king clue as to how to trim their posts, or they're simply to thick-skulled to bother. Either way the size of some of these emails is ridiculous!

This type of thing should not be happening:

Jeff Williams wrote:

Joanna and all fellow members,

Joanna Lane wrote:


Sending a registered letter to a PO Box is not sufficient evidence on its
own to verify that a person is who they say they are. There would need to be
other evidence of the name as well.

The owner of a PO Box receives any mail sent that address, regardless of who
it is addressed to, so the PO Box Jeff has provided may exist, but be
registered in another name.

Not true at all in the US. See: USPS regulations or call you the
post master Generals office yourself. You are required to provide
legal proof of identity to acquire a P.O. Box. But you would
be correct for a drop Box. They are NOTone in the same thing
or entity.


If you don't believe me, send a letter to my PO


Box, and/ or to Michael's PO Box, (doesn't have to be registered) both
addressed to Jeff Williams, with secret code.

Joanna


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Sherwood [mailto:sherwood@islands.vi]
Sent: 12 June 2003 07:59
To: Sotiris Sotiropoulos
Cc: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris Sotiropoulos FUD follows Hugh
Blair FUD to: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris, Where is that
Registered Restricted Letter? Re: [atlarge-discuss] Provisional
Membership Committee


Sotiris:

A Panel member who belligerently declares that he will only verify Jeff
Williams if he provides a mailing address that can receive a Restricted
Delivery letter. And then, when an address is provided, that Panel member
spends days spouting myriad excuses for not doing so, there is a serious
credibility issue.

Your latest excuse is that Jeff Holt is going to try to meet with Jeff
Williams at some point in time and space that may or may not happen
depending upon the will of both parties. Why would you use this
latest ploy
to evade doing what you said you would do days ago? If you really want to
verify Jeff Williams. Sending the letter may save Jeff Holt an 800 mile
road trip and all the time and expenses involved. If Jeff Holt makes the
trip anyway you have a double verification. If The letter is returned as
undeliverable you can claim that Jeff is not verified. If Jeff Williams
doesn't show up for a face to face meeting, you have doubly
verified that he
is a fraud as you claim. If you don't send the letter and Jeff Williams
claims that he somehow missed Jeff Holt at the meeting place, we have made
zero progress. And you look even sillier for failing to do what you said
you would do.

Just do it, Sotiris... send the letter. I would do it myself (at a far
lower cost to me, since I am paying your outrageous Canadian postal cost
anyway). The only reason that I have not already done so is
because I don't
want to risk being subjected to your venomous condemnation as a fraud if I
have to report that I did indeed receive proof of delivery.

Ron Sherwood

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
To: "Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris Sotiropoulos FUD follows Hugh
Blair FUD to: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris, Where is that Registered
Restricted Letter? Re: [atlarge-discuss] Provisional Membership Committee



Ron,

In case you hadn't noticed (how could you not?), Jeff Holt has offered a
face to face meet-up with our JW. I defer to his approach as it will
conclusively establish the verification of JW. Now, you can continue
calling me names (sticks and stones etc.,), but understand that in light
of the offer made by Jeff Holt, I would be happy to let him provide us
with conclusive evidence.

--Sotiris Sotiropoulos

P.S. BTW, I have nothing personal against JW, Ron, so please do not
waste your time and energies trying to make a mountain out of a

molehill.

Ron Sherwood wrote:


Sotiris:

My mailing address is a P.O. Box. It is the only address that you can

send

mail to. I am paying for you to send a Restricted Delivery letter to

Jeff

Williams at his P.O. Box address. You have said many times that you

will,

but on every occasion you have reneged on that promise. It seems that

your

word is absolutely worthless. How can you so patently and so blatantly

show

your willingness to discriminate against someone that you dislike in a
simple process that will cost you nothing.

Again, Sotiris, this is nothing to do with whether you like or dislike

Jeff

Williams. Or whether you want or do not want him to be verified. It is

about

telling the world that you will send a Restricted mail letter

to Jeff if
he

gives you an address to send it to. You have repeatedly said that you

will

and have repeatedly made excuses for not doing so. You are

showing every

member of this organization that your word means nothing, that

you place

your own subjective viewpoint before the organizational rules that you
proposed and that you have applied to others.

If you do not immediately send a Restricted Delivery letter to the

mailing

address that Jeff Williams provided you will indelibly brand

yourself as
a

cheat and a liar and unfit for any office.

Just do it Sotiris. Stop the excuses.

Ron Sherwood

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
To: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:47 PM
Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris Sotiropoulos FUD follows Hugh

Blair

FUD to: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Sotiris, Where is that Registered
Restricted Letter? Re: [atlarge-discuss] Provisional

Membership Committee




A P.O. Box is NOT a proper address. You live somewhere... please send
me the addres where you reside. You can do so offlist if you

so choose,

but I will not consider a P.O. box to be a proper, verifiable address.
There's a reason why mail orders don't deliver to P.O. boxes.

--Sotiris Sotiropoulos

Jeff Williams wrote:




Sotiris and all fellow members,

Hugh was incorrect. The address I gave you 7 times now
is my legal and proper Mailing address. The address for
My company is 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. As I have so many
times pointed out.
My proper Mailing address is and has been for 14 years is:
Jeffrey A. Williams
p.o. Box 1843
Frisco Texas, 75034

usps phone # for Dallas and the Frisco area is:
1-800-275-8777 - Ask for direct line to the Frisco
post office.

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:






Thanks to Hugh, for pointing out the dilemma involved in pinning Mr.
Jeff Williams down to a fixed address.

--Sotiris Sotiropoulos

Hugh Blair wrote:






-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Williams

No mail Box's on Route 1,Rual area of Gunter. Hence why
my Mailing address for mail delivery is p.o.. Box 1843 Frisco
Texas 75034 and has been for 14 years.







Been there "for 14 years"? Are you lying now - or then?

http://www.fitug.de/icann-europe/0106/msg00019.html
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
http://dict.regex.info/ipv6/6bone/6bone.mail-1999-05/0060.html
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208

http://www.icann.org/comments-mail/comment-dnso/archive/msg00051.html

Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc09/msg01587.html
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208



http://www.apnic.net/mailing-lists/apnic-talk/archive/2000/02/

msg00023.h
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Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg18671.html
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
http://archive.nznog.org/2001-07/msg00158.html
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208



http://lists.research.netsol.com/pipermail/uwho/2001-November/

000023.htm
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Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208

There's 8 *different* lists where you posted an address - within
the last "14 years" that's different from "Gunter". So when were
you lying? Then? Now? Are you even in Texas? Kansas? Oz?

Just more TEXAS BULL.

Hugh



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Jeffrey A. Williams
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members/stakeholders strong!)

"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
===============================================================
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801







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"The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena, just as for
modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.


From this fundamental difference between the view held by history

and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that jurisprudence can tell
minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's questions
about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can answer
nothing."
--Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"





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"The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena, just as for
modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.

From this fundamental difference between the view held by history
and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that jurisprudence can tell
minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's questions
about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can answer
nothing."
--Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"





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"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
===============================================================
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801



--
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"The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena, just as for
modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.


From this fundamental difference between the view held by history

and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that jurisprudence can tell
minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's questions
about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can answer
nothing."
				     --Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"





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