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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership fees
Dear all,
[en ESPAÑOL al final]
A solution of the monthly cost of affiliation, would be that, instead of
establishing a fixed cost, we can it establishes a percentage.
I explain: For example 20% of the minimum salary of each country for 8
working hours.
In Uruguay the minimum salary is of US$ 42 = fee @Large -> US$ 8.4 monthly.
In the countries where a regulation of the minimum salary doesn't exist, it
will be considered 10% salary average (this information would be obtained of
a grateful official or international institution).
This way we will be with the open doors for all the users of the world. But
of course, many will say that it is little money. But if a higher monthly
quota settles down, I am for sure we will become to @Large an elitist
organization as many others that speak of justness and however they are
closed, egocentric and discriminatory.
The questions continue outlined:
- Do we want to be @Large or a Private Club?
- Do we want to have few members that maintain the organization, with a fee
high or many members with a low fee?
- Do we want new blood?
- Do we want to represent all the users of Internet or being a reduced group
of activists?
My country has 600.000 users of Internet (population's 20%), any country in
Latin America have that percentage. If 10% was member of @Large, we would
collect more than US$ 500.000 monthly (fee US$ 8.4).
If we really think of representing all the users, any number (fee)
multiplied by 0.1% of all the users it is a lot of money. (Don't you believe
that 0.1% of the users of you country member of @Large can be?)
greetings,
Mauro.-
[ESPAÑOL]
Una solución al costo mensual de afiliación, sería que, en lugar de
establecer un costo fijo, podamos establecer un porcentaje.
Me explico: Por ejemplo el 20% del salario mínimo de cada país para 8 horas
de trabajo.
En Uruguay el salario mínimo es de US$ 42 = cuota @Large -> US$ 8.4 mensual.
En los países dónde NO existe una reglamentación del salario mínimo, se
considerará el 10% del salario promedio (esta información se obtendría de
una institución oficial o internacional reconocida).
De esta manera estaremos con las puertas abiertas para todos los usuarios
del mundo. Pero por supuesto, muchos dirán que es poco dinero. Pero si se
establece una cuota mensual más alta, estoy seguro que transformaremos a
@Large en una organización elitista como muchas otras que hablan de equidad
y sin embargo son cerradas, egocéntricas y discriminatorias.
Las preguntas siguen planteadas:
- ¿Queremos ser @Large o un Club Privado?
- ¿Queremos tener pocos miembros que mantengan la organización, con una
cuota alto o muchos miembros con una cuota baja?
- ¿Queremos sangre nueva?
- ¿Queremos representar a todos los usuarios de Internet o ser un grupo
reducidos de activistas?
Mi país tiene 600.000 usuarios de Internet (20% de la población), ningún
países en Latinoamérica tienen ese porcentaje. Si el 10% fuera miembro de
@Large, recaudaríamos más de US$ 500.000 mensuales (cuota US$ 8.4).
Si realmente pensamos en representar a todos los usuarios, cualquier número
(cuota) multiplicado por el 0.1% de todos los usuarios es mucho dinero. (¿Tú
no crees que el 0.1% de los usuarios de tú país pueda ser miembro de
@Large?)
Saludos,
Mauro.-
----- Mensaje original -----
De: Ron Sherwood
Para: abel@able-towers.com ; 'Atlarge Discuss List'
Enviado: Domingo, 15 de Junio de 2003 09:32 a.m.
Asunto: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership fees
Good morning, Abel:
Thank you for reminding our members that the Internet is not yet ubiquitous
and that many have to pay dearly for access.
I do some work in Haiti. The average wage is $1 per day. Internet
infrastructure is very poor and access is expensive by local standards. To
put things into perspective, a $5 membership fee (practically nothing to
North Americans) is the equivalent of a week's wages. Please imagine how
many of our current members would subscribe if they had to pay a week's
wages for membership.
Even I would not pay a $2,000 membership fee [smile].
Best regards, Ron Sherwood
----- Original Message -----
From: "Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>
To: "'Atlarge Discuss List'" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Membership fees
> Jan,
>
> Are you saying that only members who can afford to pay dues are allowed
> to influence decisions and be a part of the governing structure ?
>
> If so then forget everything about bottom-up and world-wide
> participation, you just disqualified at least 1/3 of the world from
> being an integral part of this organization.
>
> Walter's idea is more friendly, the "I was there" t-shirt if you pay but
> no restrictions if you do not want or can not pay. I can imagine quite
> some people who can not afford to pay even the smallest amount but who's
> contributions can be very valuable.
>
> Can you tell me how much $ 5 is for a Argentinian and for a Vietnamese
> or Chinese, or Russian for that matter ? In large parts of the world
> this would constitute more then a month's salary, if they had a job to
> go to.
>
> Regards
>
> Abel
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