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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership fees
Mauro and all fellow members,
The well known problem with the method you suggest
below is the cost of collection and accurate record
keeping to the membership as a whole.
A/S Mauro D. Ríos wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> [en ESPAÑOL al final]
>
> A solution of the monthly cost of affiliation, would be that, instead of
> establishing a fixed cost, we can it establishes a percentage.
>
> I explain: For example 20% of the minimum salary of each country for 8
> working hours.
> In Uruguay the minimum salary is of US$ 42 = fee @Large -> US$ 8.4 monthly.
>
> In the countries where a regulation of the minimum salary doesn't exist, it
> will be considered 10% salary average (this information would be obtained of
> a grateful official or international institution).
>
> This way we will be with the open doors for all the users of the world. But
> of course, many will say that it is little money. But if a higher monthly
> quota settles down, I am for sure we will become to @Large an elitist
> organization as many others that speak of justness and however they are
> closed, egocentric and discriminatory.
>
> The questions continue outlined:
> - Do we want to be @Large or a Private Club?
> - Do we want to have few members that maintain the organization, with a fee
> high or many members with a low fee?
> - Do we want new blood?
> - Do we want to represent all the users of Internet or being a reduced group
> of activists?
>
> My country has 600.000 users of Internet (population's 20%), any country in
> Latin America have that percentage. If 10% was member of @Large, we would
> collect more than US$ 500.000 monthly (fee US$ 8.4).
>
> If we really think of representing all the users, any number (fee)
> multiplied by 0.1% of all the users it is a lot of money. (Don't you believe
> that 0.1% of the users of you country member of @Large can be?)
>
> greetings,
> Mauro.-
>
> [ESPAÑOL]
>
> Una solución al costo mensual de afiliación, sería que, en lugar de
> establecer un costo fijo, podamos establecer un porcentaje.
>
> Me explico: Por ejemplo el 20% del salario mínimo de cada país para 8 horas
> de trabajo.
> En Uruguay el salario mínimo es de US$ 42 = cuota @Large -> US$ 8.4 mensual.
>
> En los países dónde NO existe una reglamentación del salario mínimo, se
> considerará el 10% del salario promedio (esta información se obtendría de
> una institución oficial o internacional reconocida).
>
> De esta manera estaremos con las puertas abiertas para todos los usuarios
> del mundo. Pero por supuesto, muchos dirán que es poco dinero. Pero si se
> establece una cuota mensual más alta, estoy seguro que transformaremos a
> @Large en una organización elitista como muchas otras que hablan de equidad
> y sin embargo son cerradas, egocéntricas y discriminatorias.
>
> Las preguntas siguen planteadas:
> - ¿Queremos ser @Large o un Club Privado?
> - ¿Queremos tener pocos miembros que mantengan la organización, con una
> cuota alto o muchos miembros con una cuota baja?
> - ¿Queremos sangre nueva?
> - ¿Queremos representar a todos los usuarios de Internet o ser un grupo
> reducidos de activistas?
>
> Mi país tiene 600.000 usuarios de Internet (20% de la población), ningún
> países en Latinoamérica tienen ese porcentaje. Si el 10% fuera miembro de
> @Large, recaudaríamos más de US$ 500.000 mensuales (cuota US$ 8.4).
>
> Si realmente pensamos en representar a todos los usuarios, cualquier número
> (cuota) multiplicado por el 0.1% de todos los usuarios es mucho dinero. (¿Tú
> no crees que el 0.1% de los usuarios de tú país pueda ser miembro de
> @Large?)
>
> Saludos,
> Mauro.-
>
> ----- Mensaje original -----
> De: Ron Sherwood
> Para: abel@able-towers.com ; 'Atlarge Discuss List'
> Enviado: Domingo, 15 de Junio de 2003 09:32 a.m.
> Asunto: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership fees
>
> Good morning, Abel:
>
> Thank you for reminding our members that the Internet is not yet ubiquitous
> and that many have to pay dearly for access.
>
> I do some work in Haiti. The average wage is $1 per day. Internet
> infrastructure is very poor and access is expensive by local standards. To
> put things into perspective, a $5 membership fee (practically nothing to
> North Americans) is the equivalent of a week's wages. Please imagine how
> many of our current members would subscribe if they had to pay a week's
> wages for membership.
>
> Even I would not pay a $2,000 membership fee [smile].
>
> Best regards, Ron Sherwood
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>
> To: "'Atlarge Discuss List'" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Membership fees
>
> > Jan,
> >
> > Are you saying that only members who can afford to pay dues are allowed
> > to influence decisions and be a part of the governing structure ?
> >
> > If so then forget everything about bottom-up and world-wide
> > participation, you just disqualified at least 1/3 of the world from
> > being an integral part of this organization.
> >
> > Walter's idea is more friendly, the "I was there" t-shirt if you pay but
> > no restrictions if you do not want or can not pay. I can imagine quite
> > some people who can not afford to pay even the smallest amount but who's
> > contributions can be very valuable.
> >
> > Can you tell me how much $ 5 is for a Argentinian and for a Vietnamese
> > or Chinese, or Russian for that matter ? In large parts of the world
> > this would constitute more then a month's salary, if they had a job to
> > go to.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Abel
>
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