[atlarge-discuss] Re: Provisional Membership Committee

[Ivonne Valeria Muņoz Torres <ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net>]

"Mr", "Sir", "Lord", "Gentleman"  Jeff Williams:

I´m really tired of all your emails..

If you really have the value to do my petitions, please, bring us real
answers:

- Can you send a list of all the false members of the panel?
- Can you give us a real argument to justify the farce (as you say) around
the actual panel?

I dont want to initiate a war between us... I dont have the time for lose it
in bizantine discussions...

But ... I have the patience....


Ivonne Muņoz



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Sebastian Klein" <mail@sebastianklein.de>
Cc: "Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>; "'Joey Borda **star*walker**'"
<starwalker@gay.com>; "'Joop Teernstra'" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>;
"'Kristen Doyle'" <colk@ixswr.org>; "'Martha Gottlieb'" <megom@gwi.net>;
"'Joanna Lane'" <jo-uk@rcn.com>; "'A/S Mauro D. Rmos'"
<mdrios@adinet.com.uy>; "'Micheal Sherrill'" <micheal@beethoven.com>; "'Ron
Sherwood'" <sherwood@islands.vi>; "'Sotiris Sotiropoulos'"
<sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>; "'Abel Wisman'" <abel@able-towers.com>;
<arebenti@web.de>; <dan@tobias.name>; <daniel@chirita.org>;
<gilbert.lumantao@lycos.com>; <goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au>;
<hblair@hotfootmail.com>; <ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net>; "'atlarge discuss
list'" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Provisional Membership Committee


> Sebastian and all fellow members,
>
>   Well Sebastian, I for one and not supprised that you are
> very confused.  The amount of misinformation being
> spread around on this forum is fairly significant.  Bottom
> line is though, that there has really not been a legitimate
> election.  The Jefsey-election was a farce and potentially
> a fraud. The Jefsey-election has not been officially and
> properly audited, it used a Domain name "EXECLUB.ORG"
> that has yet to be approved by the members of ICANNATLARGE.ORG,
> and the code Jefsey supposedly used has yet to be published.
>
>   This is not to mention that even several of the Jefsey-election
> false "Panel" members themselves have stated they know it
> was a farce and a sham.
>
>   Put it together and what do you have?
>
> Sebastian Klein wrote:
>
> > Hello, this is Sebastian Klein speaking maybe for the first time!
> >
> > Sorry but as I explained it to the [panel] mailing list today, I try to
> > understand what is ongoing in my e-mail box during the last days. I
> > found out that it seems to be subscribed to four lists plus the normal
> > mailing list of "official" ICANN@LARGE mail (this is what I think - I am
> > not sure because of the missing information!!!).
> >
> > A lot of things were confusing and I cannot say that I understand
> > everything now but I try to get it as fast as I can.
> >
> > So I will be more than happy if anyone is able to explain what Jeff
> > wrote about my person in his mail of June 12. I really do not think my
> > english is the best and I am not sure I understand everything right!
> > Did he thing I will make a fool of this list or what does he mean?
> > Sorry, but if he does, I ask him if he can imagine why I am confused
> > what is ongoing since my accaptance of nomination...? My answer: The
> > ongoing election seems to be a important thing but I definetely do not
> > feel that I became informed in a proper way to understand it clear.
> >
> > I hope anyone can explain it to me.. thank you very very much to him or
> > her who will help me!
> >
> > And by the way another problem: To prevent a new chaos of hundred of
> > e-mails in my private account, can anyone please change my adress to
> > "panel@sebastianklein.de" in the list? I do not know who takes care
> > about this list but it is very important for me to stay active!
> >
> > Sebastian Klein
> >
> > Jeff Holt schrieb:
> >  > Provisional Membership Committee & Panelists-elect;
> >  >
> >  > The question of Jeffrey A. Williams being a real individual is now
> >  > settled in the affirmative.  Today I have met and had lunch with Mr.
> >  > Williams, viewed several legitimate documents including TDL, military
> >  > id, court documents, and both utility and phone bill statements
> >  > addressed to his Frisco P.O. Box.  I found Mr. Williams a pleasant
> >  > conversationalist, well informed and almost as opinionated as myself.
I
> >  > trust there will be no further libels regarding his person or mine.
As
> >  > soon as the roll of film is developed, I will post a picture of us
> >  > shaking hands on my Website and provide the appropriate URL for
viewing;
> >  > unfortunately I don't own a digital camera.  I will take the film to
a
> >  > one-hour processor on Monday, so enough already.
> >  >
> >  > Sincerely,
> >  >
> >  > Jeff Holt
> >  > Jefftttt@txucom.net
> >  > www.tejas-info-services.com
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > From: Jeff Holt [mailto:jefftttt@txucom.net]
> >  > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:41 AM
> >  > To: 'Jeff Williams'; 'Joey Borda **star*walker**'
> >  > Cc: 'Joop Teernstra'; 'Kristen Doyle'; 'Martha Gottlieb'; 'Joanna
Lane';
> >  > 'A/S Mauro D. Rmos'; 'Micheal Sherrill'; 'Ron Sherwood'; 'Sotiris
> >  > Sotiropoulos'; 'Abel Wisman'; 'arebenti@web.de'; 'dan@tobias.name';
> >  > 'daniel@chirita.org'; 'gilbert.lumantao@lycos.com';
> >  > 'goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au'; 'hblair@hotfootmail.com';
> >  > 'ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net'; 'mail@sebastianklein.de'; 'atlarge
discuss
> >  > list'
> >  > Subject: RE: Provisional Membership Committee
> >  >
> >  > Panelists-elect and PMC members, INCLUDING (for the time being) Jeff
> >  > Williams;
> >  >
> >  > Enough already....  SS is not the "Lord of Verification" any more
than
> >  > Ron Sherwood was the "Chair" or "Moderator" for the combined effort
last
> >  > weekend.  There is still considerable doubt as to Sebastian Klein in
> >  > many of the minds working on the "Provisional" membership Committee,
but
> >  > that is moot for now.
> >  >
> >  > The Panel-elect has some serious considerations before it and needs
to
> >  > focus on creating an atmosphere of trust and solidarity, even with
> >  > differences between individuals on some topics.  I completely agree
with
> >  > Joe and Joanna, time to remove the "Provisional", concentrate on
> >  > structuring a set of Officers for the Organization to work toward in
a
> >  > formal election, and determine a verifiable means of holding an
election
> >  > for said Officers.
> >  >
> >  > Polling has its place, but at this time I do not see it as being the
> >  > end-all for valid elections.  From reading the Motions before the
panel
> >  > now, it is clear that there is need for additional clarity in
> >  > formulating the wording for Motions and simple goals stated in plain
> >  > English, pardon the expression.
> >  >
> >  > Jeff Williams, if you would like to settle the matter of your
identity
> >  > once and for all, I can meet with you somewhere in the DFW area east
of
> >  > the Loop preferably since I will be driving up I-45 in all
probability.
> >  > If this cannot be arranged, I am afraid your identity will forever be
a
> >  > huge question in everyone's mind, including my own, since I am making
it
> >  > as convenient as possible.
> >  >
> >  > As for Claude, his reticence is difficult for me to understand as
well,
> >  > but has no bearing now or on the future unless he plans to run for
> >  > Office at some time, in which case he will definitely be subject to
full
> >  > verification, as will ALL future candidates for ANY office.
> >  >
> >  > Sincerely,
> >  >
> >  > Jeff Holt
> >  > Jefftttt@txucom.net
> >  > www.tejas-info-services.com
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> >  > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:09 PM
> >  > To: Joey Borda **star*walker**
> >  > Cc: Joop Teernstra; Kristen Doyle; Martha Gottlieb; Jeff Holt; Joanna
> >  > Lane; A/S Mauro D. Rmos; Micheal Sherrill; Ron Sherwood; Sotiris
> >  > Sotiropoulos; Abel Wisman; arebenti@web.de; dan@tobias.name;
> >  > daniel@chirita.org; gilbert.lumantao@lycos.com;
> >  > goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au; hblair@hotfootmail.com;
> >  > ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net; mail@sebastianklein.de; atlarge discuss
list
> >  > Subject: Re: Provisional Membership Committee
> >  >
> >  > Joey and all fellow members,
> >  >
> >  >   Please take me off of your CC list in the future as according
> >  > to Sotiris I do not actually exist or in his convoluted mind
> >  > I am a not whom and what I say I am.  Hence I am NOT
> >  > "Verified" in Lord Sotiris's court of jesters...
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
>     Pierre Abelard
> ===============================================================
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> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
>
>


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