Re: [atlarge-discuss] icannatlarge.org member list and site password

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Abel and all fellow members,

  The problems are here Abel, do we or do all of the members
believe what Jefsey said and this is not the complete text either,
yet further confusing the original problem... And that Jefsey
never released the Code as well and no independent
professional audit was or has been done, as well
as it is now likely no viable and complete audit trail
remains...

  I personally no longer take Jefsey on his word, and do
not believe what you in parts, provided from Jefsey,
below given his follow-on Atlarge.ws fiasco/spam.



Abel Wisman wrote:

> This was the text of the email Jeffsey send to the panel yesterday and
> which he refers to below:
>
> <quote>
> Dear Panelists,
> I am no more from your organization.
> I am satisfied that you are correctly elected.
> I am statisfied that you are one single person each,
> I have no clear indication from you concerning the mailing list and the
> password. So I will go the way I was addressed these information whch
> had
> been decided by Joop last year. And send them to all of you.
>
> 1. The list of your Members as I received it is attached. It does not
> include new members from Claude Thielet, Rod DIxon etc. It is not
> corrected. The reason why is that corrections were maintained on my own
> @large list which contains nearly three times more Members, as an
> indication with a field marking the members of this list (the election
> benefited from my own updates).
>
> IRT the website:
> 1. You know the IP address
> 2. The name is XXXXXXXXXXXX
>      The password XXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> I know that not everyone of the Panel condones my yesterday action. But
> now
> it has been carried I suspect that all of you may be interested in the
> results.
>
> - the lists have been open in two short periods but mail has hysteresis
> - 75 e-mail addresses shown up in the records (including direct mail and
>
> mail demon)
> - out of which 30 matched the possible brainspammer robot based
> criteria.
> - 16 of them had voted.
> - 6 supported _11_ candidates each. Others voted for 1 to 8 candidates.
> - In the action no private address was exposed by me. Some people
> decided
> to mail to the list and to disclose. The whole load on Members was 75
> mails.
>
> Results abd anlysis lead me to think there are 6 manipulators and 10
> being
> manipulated in that group through Europe and East cost (due to the time
> in
> the day the lists were open West and Pacific did not really show up).
> For
> other reasons I would think there are at least 7 manipulators being 2 or
> 3
> persons, and 15 true persons being manipulated in the list. Out of these
> 10
> identified, 3 are really active on this list so we may consider this
> represents a real influence. Not the only one, but it is certainly the
> most  organized. Obviously these people do not want exposure, this is
> why
> the Panel is nearly safe.
> jfc
> </quote>
>
> Since no names are given this information is about as useless as
> anything about nothing.
>
> The mere fact that some people are on this list to prevent success was
> long since established, I needed no additional "facts" (not facts to me
> since I have not seen the data upon which this was based nor the
> criteria) for such a conclusion, I attempt to work around it.
>
> That's is the main reason I keep saying: let's get this show on the road
> instead of losing ourselves in mindless jibberish about non-issues, who
> cares if JW = JH or != JH and whether he is real, has multiple
> personalities or consists of a group of people working 24/7 to simply
> disrupt and monitor maillists all over the net. In the end there are far
> more "good" persons on this list than bad ones, so we should, if we
> ignore the disruptions, be able to create that what we set out to
> create.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Abel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin [mailto:jefsey@club-internet.fr]
> > Sent: 20 June 2003 13:24
> > To: atlarge Discuss List
> > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] icannatlarge.org member list and
> > site password
> >
> >
> > I sent two days ago the membership list and site passwords
> > to _every_
> > members of the Panel as Joop Teernstra did last year and as I
> > received them
> > myself. I have reported this to the other Members of the
> > Polling Committee.
> > This list contains 1070 e-mails. It is the one I received
> > from Vittorio
> > through Judyth I had inserted into and re extracted from my
> > own base. I
> > also detailed the results of the action I carried to  check
> > on brainspamming.
> >
> > I have received to date no acknowledgment from any of them.
> > I have reported my sending to the Polling Committee and been
> > acknowledged. This mail terminates my obligations to this community.
> >
> > I thank all those who helped me in this difficult, tiring and
> > costly effort
> > of mine. I hope you will be able to make a good use of it with a well
> > elected and supported panel including new blood and after
> > what I hope to be
> > a serious warning to those who could try to destabilize it. I
> > know that
> > this year has many traps for it. I only wish it may permitted
> > to respect
> > the directions clearly indicated by the Members.
> > jfc
> >
> >
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