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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Abel's Banning threat again to:http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0307/msg00307.html
Yep. And what Bill Burr says below is that he never wrote you anything and he does not know you Jeffyjeff. You're a liar and you've been caught.
You're outta here.
Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Abel and all fellow members,
I cannot understand how you or any member here can dictate any
form of Banning! I was attempting to assist everyone on this forum
when I sent http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0307/msg00307.html .
I left off all Email addresses in order to comply with the FTC's
recommendation's on protecting AGAINST Indentity theft in the first
place, for gods sake!
See: http://www3.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/idtheft.htm#occurs
for just the BASIC info for heavens sake Abel!
What in the f@#k is the matter with you, Abel???!!!!
Here is the response that I and RON got and I replied back to
Bill.and again I am EDITING the Email addresses except mine
and Ron's even though they MAY be known.
============== Copy starts here =============
Subject: Off List to: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Fw: Athentication
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:01:56 -0700
From: Jeff Williams
Organization: INEGroup Spokesman
To: Bill Burr
CC: sherwood@islands.vi, Jeff Holt
References: 1 , 2
Bill and all,
I am no not sure what actually Ron is spinning all about either.
But I did receive a response from you which I posted excluding
Email addresses in order to protect against Identity theft to the
atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de which has recently been plagued with
various methods of spam and hacks by individuals or entities
such as Albert Brickel
whom many members feel doesn't actually exist.
Bill Burr wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> I'm sorry I really don't understand what is going on here and don't
know
> what "I've forgotten in my busy schedule." I am on the ISC list
but
> frankly filter those messages and look at them once in a blue moon,
of it
> something specific comes up.
>
> What I'm saying is that I don't believe that I ever wrote or sent
you or
> anyone else the following text:
>
> |> Jeff,
> |>
> |> Thank you and your members of your organization for aiding in
the
> |> development and furtherance of the developing standard required
by
> |> the presidents directive of September 2000 for Authentication
and
> |> Verification standards. You may also wish to, and it would be
> |> advised for you to forward the most important element along to
the
> |> At-large organization you are involved with and attempting to
> |> shepherd.
> |>
> |> Kindly,
> |> B. Burr NIST
> |> Manager, Security Technology Group
>
> I don't think I have a dog in this fight, whatever it is, but I am
Bill
> Burr, the manager of the NIST security Technology Group and I did
not write
> this, it makes no sense to me, it's not my style at all, and I
simply do
> not close anything with "Kindly".
>
> I can confirm that did send the July 11 message Subject:
E-Authentication
> Policy Guidance, which you reference to my pki-twg group.
>
> Bill Burr
>
> At 10:47 PM 7/15/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >Ron, Bill and all fellow members,
> >
> > The letter I sent to this list was sent to me only a few days
ago
> >via the ABA list discussing these issues as seperate response
> >from ST-ISC@MAIL.ABANET.ORG of which was forwarded
> >by one of the list members. as follows:
> >(So perhaps Bill has forgotten in his busy schedual I left out
> >his Email address in my original post in order to protect his
> >privacy as well hoping to keep him from being embarassed.
> >I see that was perhaps not possible due to Ron's insistance in
being
> >obtuse...)
> >
> >========= Copy of post is as follows =================
> >
> >Subject: FW: E-Authentication Policy Guidance
> > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:48:08 -0500
> > From: xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@WELLSFARGO.COM> -( privacy protected for
> > To: ST-ISC@MAIL.ABANET.ORG copying
purposes)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Bill Burr [mailto:william.burr@nist.gov]
> >Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:55 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list
> >Subject: E-Authentication Policy Guidance
> >
> >
> >Folks,
> >
> >What I've been calling the OMB e-Authentiction policy guidance has
> >been
> >published in the Federal Register
> >
> >
> >
> >
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14mar20010800/edocket.access.gpo.gov
> >
> >/2003/pdf/03-17634.pdf
> >
> >or
> >
> >
> >
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14mar20010800/edocket.access.gpo.gov
> >
> >/2003/03-17634.htm
> >
> >It's not too long so I'll attach the PDF here
> >
> >
> >William E. Burr
> >NIST
> >Manager, Security Technology Group
> >301-975-2914
> >william.burr@nist.gov
> >
> >
> > FedReg03-17634.pdf
> >
> > Name:
> > FedReg03-17634.pdf
> > Type:
> > Portable Document Format
> >(application/pdf)
> > Encoding:
> > base64
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Ron Sherwood wrote:
> >
> > > All @Large members:
> > >
> > > I am sure a number of you felt that the message forwarded
to the
> > > discuss list by Jeff Williams, and which he claimed was written
by
> > > Bill Burr, was couched in the same grammatically deficient
terms as
> > > Jeff's own messages.
> > >
> > > I was concerned enough that this was a fake letter, that I
emailed
> > > Bill Burr and asked him to authenticate it.
> > >
> > > This reply from Bill Burr is self explanatory.
> > >
> > > Ron Sherwood
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Bill Burr
> > > To: Ron Sherwood
> > > Cc: edward.roback@nist.gov
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Athentication
> > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Sherwood,
> > >
> > > I have no idea where what you forwarded came from. But not
from me.
> > > It's the first time I've ever seen it. I've never signed
anything
> > > "kindly" in my life. I don't understand the context at all.
> > >
> > > Bill Burr
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:40 AM 7/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Burr:
> > >
> > > I am a member of the newly organized ICANN@Large group. We
are
> > > attempting to organize a grass-roots membership of internet
users
> > > according to the mandate presented to ICANN by the DoC.
> > >
> > > There is some doubt among our membership concerning the
following
> > > excerpt from a message delivered by one Jeff Williams and which
is
> > > attributed to you.
> > >
> > > Please will you verify (or otherwise) that you did, indeed,
author
> > > this message to Jeff Williams.
> > >
> > > Many thanks in advance for taking the time to respond this
request.
> > >
> > > Yours sincerely, Ron Sherwood
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------copy of message------------
> > >
> > > |> All fellow members and VR committee members,
> > > |>
> > > |> The following is a email received via the DOC's NIST:
> > > |>
> > > |> ============== Copy of contents in part follows=========
> > > |> Jeff,
> > > |>
> > > |> Thank you and your members of your organization for
aiding in
> > > the
> > > |> development and furtherance of the developing standard
required
> > > by
> > > |> the presidents directive of September 2000 for
Authentication and
> > >
> > > |> Verification standards. You may also wish to, and it
would be
> > > |> advised for you to forward the most important element
along to
> > > the
> > > |> At-large organization you are involved with and attempting
to
> > > |> shepherd.
> > > |>
> > > |> Kindly,
> > > |> B. Burr NIST
> > > |> Manager, Security Technology Group
> > > |>
> > > |> =========== End of copy ==============
> > > William E. Burr
> > > NIST
> > > Manager, Security Technology Group
> > > 301-975-2914
> > > william.burr@nist.gov
> > >
> > >
> >
> >--
> >Jeffrey A. Williams
> >Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders
strong!)
> >"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others"
-
> > Pierre Abelard
> >===============================================================
> >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> >E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> >Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
>
> William E. Burr
> NIST
> Manager, Security Technology Group
> 301-975-2914
> xxxxxxx.xxxx@nist.gov
============ End of copy ===========
Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders
strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
===============================================================
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
===============================================================
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
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