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[atlarge-discuss] Move to suspend Jeff Williams membership
If a person is arrested for a crime, albeit they are innocent until proven
guilty, the normal response is to suspend that person until such time as the
matter is resolved, one way or another. It is in the same spirit that I now
request members to suspend privileges indefinitely for Jeff Williams,
including posting to this list, until such time as he is proven innocent of
the allegations being made against him, if ever.
If this requires a vote of the Panel, then I request the same, which will be
undertaken in a matter of 5 days from today's date, if there is the will to
deal with him once and for all.
One is faced with the reality that while this organization permits one
person amongst millions of potential members to wreak havoc, it is
squandering its most precious resource, this being the limited time of
founding members that are being forced and bullied into dealing with his
crap, and the very real price that is being paid by the silent majority is
the absence of much needed positive contributions to this cause by precious
few volunteers. This is a price we cannot afford to pay at this moment in
time.
There follows a straw poll of members. Please vote by placing an X below and
hitting reply/ send.
YES [ ] NO [ ] SUSPEND JEFF WILLIAMS MEMBERSHIP UNTIL SUCH TIME AS HE IS
PROVEN INNOCENT
Joanna
From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:13:50 -0700
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Sotiris and all fellow members,
No you are appalling! Sheesh! pay pal as a verification!??
Yeah right! :(
Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> Methinks it's time to boot Mr. Jeff Williams once and for all. This is
> appalling.
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
> Abel Wisman wrote:
>
> >Ron,
> >
> >Considering he weight nad possible consequences of this, would you be so
> >kind as to send the FULL headers of the email to the list ?
> >
> >Kind regards
> >
> >Abel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Ron Sherwood [mailto:sherwood@islands.vi]
> >>Sent: 16 July 2003 23:19
> >>To: IAL
> >>Subject: Fw: [atlarge-discuss] Fw: Athentication
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Bill Burr" <william.burr@nist.gov>
> >>To: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> >>Cc: <sherwood@islands.vi>; "Albert Brickel" <nonukesnokooks@yahoo.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 12:27 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Fw: Athentication
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Jeff,
> >>>
> >>>I'm sorry I really don't understand what is going on here and don't
> >>>know what "I've forgotten in my busy schedule." I am on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>the ISC list
> >>
> >>
> >>>but frankly filter those messages and look at them once in a blue
> >>>moon, of it something specific comes up.
> >>>
> >>>What I'm saying is that I don't believe that I ever wrote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>or sent you
> >>
> >>
> >>>or anyone else the following text:
> >>>
> >>>|> Jeff,
> >>>|>
> >>>|> Thank you and your members of your organization for
> >>>
> >>>
> >>aiding in the
> >>
> >>
> >>>|> development and furtherance of the developing standard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>required by
> >>
> >>
> >>>|> the presidents directive of September 2000 for
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Authentication and
> >>
> >>
> >>>|> Verification standards. You may also wish to, and it would be
> >>>|> advised for you to forward the most important element
> >>>
> >>>
> >>along to the
> >>
> >>
> >>>|> At-large organization you are involved with and attempting to
> >>>|> shepherd.
> >>>|>
> >>>|> Kindly,
> >>>|> B. Burr NIST
> >>>|> Manager, Security Technology Group
> >>>
> >>>I don't think I have a dog in this fight, whatever it is, but I am
> >>>Bill Burr, the manager of the NIST security Technology
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Group and I did
> >>
> >>
> >>>not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>write
> >>
> >>
> >>>this, it makes no sense to me, it's not my style at all,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>and I simply
> >>
> >>
> >>>do not close anything with "Kindly".
> >>>
> >>>I can confirm that did send the July 11 message Subject:
> >>>E-Authentication Policy Guidance, which you reference to my pki-twg
> >>>group.
> >>>
> >>>Bill Burr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>At 10:47 PM 7/15/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Ron, Bill and all fellow members,
> >>>>
> >>>> The letter I sent to this list was sent to me only a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>few days ago
> >>
> >>
> >>>>via the ABA list discussing these issues as seperate response from
> >>>>ST-ISC@MAIL.ABANET.ORG of which was forwarded by one of the list
> >>>>members. as follows:
> >>>>(So perhaps Bill has forgotten in his busy schedual I left out
> >>>>his Email address in my original post in order to protect
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>his privacy
> >>
> >>
> >>>>as well hoping to keep him from being embarassed. I see that was
> >>>>perhaps not possible due to Ron's insistance in being
> >>>>obtuse...)
> >>>>
> >>>>========= Copy of post is as follows =================
> >>>>
> >>>>Subject: FW: E-Authentication Policy Guidance
> >>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:48:08 -0500
> >>>> From: xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@WELLSFARGO.COM> -( privacy protected for
> >>>> To: ST-ISC@MAIL.ABANET.ORG
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>copying purposes)
> >>
> >>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Bill Burr [mailto:william.burr@nist.gov]
> >>>>Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:55 AM
> >>>>To: Multiple recipients of list
> >>>>Subject: E-Authentication Policy Guidance
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Folks,
> >>>>
> >>>>What I've been calling the OMB e-Authentiction policy guidance has
> >>>>been published in the Federal Register
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14mar20010800/edocket
> >>>
> >>>
> >>.access.gp
> >>
> >>
> >>>o.go
> >>>
> >>>
> >>v
> >>
> >>
> >>>>/2003/pdf/03-17634.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>>or
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14mar20010800/edocket
> >>>
> >>>
> >>.access.gp
> >>
> >>
> >>>o.go
> >>>
> >>>
> >>v
> >>
> >>
> >>>>/2003/03-17634.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>It's not too long so I'll attach the PDF here
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>William E. Burr
> >>>>NIST
> >>>>Manager, Security Technology Group
> >>>>301-975-2914
> >>>>william.burr@nist.gov
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> FedReg03-17634.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> Name:
> >>>> FedReg03-17634.pdf
> >>>> Type:
> >>>> Portable Document Format
> >>>>(application/pdf)
> >>>> Encoding:
> >>>> base64
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron Sherwood wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> All @Large members:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am sure a number of you felt that the message
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>forwarded to
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>the discuss list by Jeff Williams, and which he claimed was
> >>>>>written by Bill Burr, was couched in the same grammatically
> >>>>>deficient terms as Jeff's own messages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was concerned enough that this was a fake letter, that I
> >>>>>emailed Bill Burr and asked him to authenticate it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This reply from Bill Burr is self explanatory.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ron Sherwood
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>From: Bill Burr
> >>>>>To: Ron Sherwood
> >>>>>Cc: edward.roback@nist.gov
> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:47 AM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: Athentication
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mr. Sherwood,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I have no idea where what you forwarded came from. But
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>not from
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>me. It's the first time I've ever seen it. I've never signed
> >>>>>anything "kindly" in my life. I don't understand the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>context at
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Bill Burr
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>At 08:40 AM 7/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Mr. Burr:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am a member of the newly organized ICANN@Large
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>group. We are
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>attempting to organize a grass-roots membership of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>internet users
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>according to the mandate presented to ICANN by the DoC.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is some doubt among our membership concerning the
> >>>>>following excerpt from a message delivered by one Jeff Williams
> >>>>>and which is attributed to you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please will you verify (or otherwise) that you did, indeed,
> >>>>>author this message to Jeff Williams.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Many thanks in advance for taking the time to respond this
> >>>>>request.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yours sincerely, Ron Sherwood
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------copy of message------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> |> All fellow members and VR committee members,
> >>>>> |>
> >>>>> |> The following is a email received via the DOC's NIST:
> >>>>> |>
> >>>>> |> ============== Copy of contents in part follows=========
> >>>>> |> Jeff,
> >>>>> |>
> >>>>> |> Thank you and your members of your organization
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>for aiding in
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>the
> >>>>> |> development and furtherance of the developing standard
> >>>>>required by
> >>>>> |> the presidents directive of September 2000 for
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>Authentication
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>and
> >>>>>
> >>>>> |> Verification standards. You may also wish to, and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>it would be
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> |> advised for you to forward the most important
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>element along
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>to the
> >>>>> |> At-large organization you are involved with and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>attempting to
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> |> shepherd.
> >>>>> |>
> >>>>> |> Kindly,
> >>>>> |> B. Burr NIST
> >>>>> |> Manager, Security Technology Group
> >>>>> |>
> >>>>> |> =========== End of copy ==============
> >>>>>William E. Burr
> >>>>>NIST
> >>>>>Manager, Security Technology Group
> >>>>>301-975-2914
> >>>>>william.burr@nist.gov
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Jeffrey A. Williams
> >>>>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders
> >>>>strong!) "Be precise in the use of words and expect
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>precision from others" -
> >>
> >>
> >>>> Pierre Abelard
> >>>>===============================================================
> >>>>CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> >>>>Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail
> >>>>jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>William E. Burr
> >>>NIST
> >>>Manager, Security Technology Group
> >>>301-975-2914
> >>>william.burr@nist.gov
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> --
> *************
> Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act
rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those
because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence,
then, is not an act but a habit.
> --Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC)
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
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