Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE : [atlarge-discuss] Forum Usage at dot-org

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Daniel and all fellow members,

Daniel R. Tobias wrote:

> On 16 Jul 2003 at 19:15, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > 1.) Take what a USER sees when displaying in his/her
> > browser from a php screen and use your idea of
> > an automated translator http://babel.altavista.com/
> > (Which BTW is a poor one) and try translating the
> > data from or in that php URL
> >
> > 2.) Than take or use any HTTP URL data displayed
> > using your idea of an automated translator http://babel.altavista.com/
> > (Which BTW is a poor one) and try translating the data from or in that
> > HTTP data and see for yourself which is easier or has a better result.
>
> You'll get the exact same thing... the PHP-generated Web page (which
> in fact *is* served from an HTTP URL; the fact that you imply that
> PHP and HTTP are mutually exclusive things is most bizarre) would be
> fed into the translator (which I don't deny is poor; my next
> paragraph in fact said that all automated translators are poor) and
> would result in the same output if the text content is the same.
>
> >   If  you like I will post an actual example of this
> > test for you?
>
> That would be useful, since I haven't a clue what you mean.

  Well I kinda figured you didn't.  So here is a actual


  Here is what I took from the ICANNATLARGE Main
URL "he Election for new Executive Panel members continues

         The final list of candidates, and those who were nominated but
declined, is posted on the Voting page.

         The candidates' statements, slogan and URL can be found at
http://icannatlarge.org/election_list.htm. This also lists
         the declined nominees with their statement and the Watchdogs."

As you can clearly see it is jumbled format wise in a straight
copy all by itself.

Now here is the translation to spanish from your recommended or
suggested automated translator  http://babel.altavista.com/  from
your previous post:

"La lista final de candidatos, y las que fueron nominadas pero
declinadas, se fija en la página de votación.

         Las declaraciones, el lema y el URL de los candidatos se pueden
encontrar en http://icannatlarge.org/election_list.htm. Esto también
enumera a candidatos declinados con su declaración y los perros"

As you can clearly see the tranalation if very inaccurate as I
stated.  Hence as Jeff H, tried to point out using a browser
approach is far better and much easier.  And php data
that the user sees is difficult to translate where HTTP
is much more exacting...

>
>
> >   It is true though that when web pages that are displayed
> > in php format from the server side can be done more
> > simply than from the browser side, but the user or member,
> > in our case does not or should not have direct access to
> > server based processes or data of this sort FROM that
> > or those servers...
>
> That's one of the more incomprehensible sentences I've ever read, and
> I don't really know what you're trying to get at here, but didn't you
> claim in an earlier thread that the "grep" command had some sort of
> magical ability to grab the server-side data of a site?  Are you
> backing down from this now?  Or are you just too clueless about
> technical matters to have the slightest inkling of what you're
> talking about, but you just wish to try to bluff your way through
> anyway?
>
> >   Hence  your argument here technically is circular, and
> > therefore not membership applicable...
>
> Your argument here technically is incomprehensible.
>
> --
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
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