RE: [atlarge-discuss] Move to suspend Jeff Williams membership

["Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>]

I for one look forward to that :)

Abel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: todd glassey [mailto:todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net] 
> Sent: 17 July 2003 20:32
> To: abel@able-towers.com; DannyYounger@cs.com; 
> micheal@beethoven.com; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Move to suspend Jeff Williams 
> membership
> 
> 
> You folks need to also understand that a public outcry to 
> quash someone's membership for cause may be OK but if you 
> cannot substantiate that you are walking on very shaky legal 
> grounds...
> 
> I suggest that a formal process for limiting posting rights 
> may be in order, but that short of that, there is no other 
> possible outcome here than a lawsuit as far as I can tell.
> 
> Todd
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>
> To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>; <micheal@beethoven.com>; 
> <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Move to suspend Jeff Williams 
> membership
> 
> 
> > Danny,
> >
> > Your tone gets worse, your fact finding deteriorates and frankly, 
> > seeing as you are not a member of this organization I 
> should not even 
> > answer to this type of insulting emails. However, I do for 
> the simple 
> > reason that there may be some people out there that 
> consider what you 
> > post as facts and do so without looking in the obvious places for 
> > those facts.
> >
> > The panel motion which I moved was written AFTER the panel received 
> > the full headers to both emails from Ron, pls see the panel 
> archives.
> >
> > The proof is very clear that these emails are what they say 
> they are 
> > (we also have the original emails) and that the post from 
> mr. Williams 
> > was a falsification.
> >
> > You are doing that what you accuse others of, <quote> 
> "doubtless the 
> > "Panel" has already produced a motion calling for the banishment of 
> > Jeff Williams before all the
> > facts are in, and doubtless several panel members have 
> already jumped in
> > to cast
> > their vote to hang him."</quote>
> >
> > Never seen a better example of someone jumping the gun.
> >
> > Abel
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DannyYounger@cs.com [mailto:DannyYounger@cs.com]
> > Sent: 17 July 2003 05:52
> > To: micheal@beethoven.com; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Move to suspend Jeff Williams 
> > membership
> >
> >
> > Dear Michael,
> >
> > ...and maybe you are jumping the gun in your eagerness to 
> banish Jeff 
> > Williams.  I recall a post from Ron Sherwood which contained what 
> > purported to be a comment from Bill Burr.  Subsequent to that post, 
> > Abel asked Ron to produce the
> > full headers of that email.  I don't recall seeing the 
> headers posted as
> > yet.
> >
> >
> > As such, we currently have the as yet unsupported hearsay 
> testimony of 
> > Ron Sherwood (whom I would deem to be trustworthy) standing at odds 
> > with the
> >
> > comments made by Jeff.  It is reasonable to assume that someone is 
> > lying, but I don't think you can state that Jeff has "already" been 
> > proven guilty.  Has anyone
> > on the panel bothered to call Mr. Burr?  Probably not, but 
> that probably
> > hasn't
> > stopped the lynch mob mentality at play...doubtless the "Panel" has
> > already
> > produced a motion calling for the banishment of Jeff 
> Williams before all
> > the
> > facts are in, and doubtless several panel members have 
> already jumped in
> > to cast
> > their vote to hang him.
> >
> > Another great moment for cyber-democracy.
> >
> > 
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