Re: [atlarge-discuss] Move to suspend Jeff Williams membership

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

You folks need to also understand that a public outcry to quash someone's
membership for cause may be OK but if you cannot substantiate that you are
walking on very shaky legal grounds...

I suggest that a formal process for limiting posting rights may be in order,
but that short of that, there is no other possible outcome here than a
lawsuit as far as I can tell.

Todd
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>
To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>; <micheal@beethoven.com>;
<atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:15 AM
Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Move to suspend Jeff Williams membership


> Danny,
>
> Your tone gets worse, your fact finding deteriorates and frankly, seeing
> as you are not a member of this organization I should not even answer to
> this type of insulting emails.
> However, I do for the simple reason that there may be some people out
> there that consider what you post as facts and do so without looking in
> the obvious places for those facts.
>
> The panel motion which I moved was written AFTER the panel received the
> full headers to both emails from Ron, pls see the panel archives.
>
> The proof is very clear that these emails are what they say they are (we
> also have the original emails) and that the post from mr. Williams was a
> falsification.
>
> You are doing that what you accuse others of, <quote> "doubtless the
> "Panel" has already
> produced a motion calling for the banishment of Jeff Williams before all
> the
> facts are in, and doubtless several panel members have already jumped in
> to cast
> their vote to hang him."</quote>
>
> Never seen a better example of someone jumping the gun.
>
> Abel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DannyYounger@cs.com [mailto:DannyYounger@cs.com]
> Sent: 17 July 2003 05:52
> To: micheal@beethoven.com; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Move to suspend Jeff Williams membership
>
>
> Dear Michael,
>
> ...and maybe you are jumping the gun in your eagerness to banish Jeff
> Williams.  I recall a post from Ron Sherwood which contained what
> purported to be a
> comment from Bill Burr.  Subsequent to that post, Abel asked Ron to
> produce the
> full headers of that email.  I don't recall seeing the headers posted as
> yet.
>
>
> As such, we currently have the as yet unsupported hearsay testimony of
> Ron
> Sherwood (whom I would deem to be trustworthy) standing at odds with the
>
> comments made by Jeff.  It is reasonable to assume that someone is
> lying, but I don't
> think you can state that Jeff has "already" been proven guilty.  Has
> anyone
> on the panel bothered to call Mr. Burr?  Probably not, but that probably
> hasn't
> stopped the lynch mob mentality at play...doubtless the "Panel" has
> already
> produced a motion calling for the banishment of Jeff Williams before all
> the
> facts are in, and doubtless several panel members have already jumped in
> to cast
> their vote to hang him.
>
> Another great moment for cyber-democracy.
>
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