Re: [atlarge-discuss] The devil's trap

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

It takes a second read.  please think of censorship.
a button is all it takes.
I teach in Asia RE, RE, RE, and let someone else RE, RE & RE.
Rewrite - Rethink - Rediscuss and then REALLY DO IT.
eric

> I think all of you should think twice about the method to use to ban
> Jeff  Williamses.
> 
> IMHO this affair is an organized trap. That trap was set-up the day I 
> started the election process: Jeff Williams was the clone chosen to
> blow  it, even in committing e-suicide. JWs was to organize a clash in
> opposing  and in adding "unacceptable" acts. Among others it was
> disclosing its VID,  claiming ballots where spam, the Jeff/Jeff
> lunchon, now this mail. Next it  would be insulting Vint or GW Bush.
> 
> What they want is to oblige the Panel to vote the ban of JWs and look a
>  stupid group a nazi folks.
> 
> The Panel has not the power (no by-laws) nor the capacity (Thomas has 
> consistently refused to ban anyone) to ban Jeff. It has documented
> (Joop)  that it could not and needed another list. So what, they vote
> and get  refused? Looks nice.
> 
> Would Thomas accept, they would claim it is biased (hurting Thomas' 
> reputation) that the Panel is a joke (quoting Sotiris) and that thye
> want  to punish JWs from saying it from the very first day. And it will
> look a  joke as everyone, including Joanna and Danny, know that banning
> JWs will  not ban its author.
> 
> BTW, this happens just when the GA is disrupted. Any relation?
> 
> 
> What I would propose would be:
> 
> 1. to create another list with the same members, under the open minded 
> control of the Panel (so no one can object).
> 
> 2. expose the case to the whole Membership and ask it to vote on it.
> This  would:
> 
>      - show the Panel respects its role and duties
>      - this is an exceptional decision, with an exceptional procedure,
>      for 
> an exceptional fault
>      - this will let know everyone that at last an action has been 
> undertaken against manipulators
>      - may be there could be two questions : do you want to ban - to
>      join 
> the new list.
>        It could be good outreach. All the more if the GA is not
>        resurected.
>      - everyone would know it was handled in the open, and would know
>      about 
> it.
>        End of JWs. Very strong warning to the clone maker.
> 
> Jefsey
> 
> 
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