[ICANN-EU] Consensus

[Jefsey Morfin <jefsey@wanadoo.fr>]

At 23:01 29/09/00, you wrote:
>Jefsey and all,
>
>Jefsey Morfin wrote:
>
> > Dmitri,
> > A consensus as Esther Dyson recalled it is not an agreement. It
> > simply means that the broad majority is not against and there is
> > no blocking factor.
>
>   And I agree with this *Rough* definition in principal anyway.  However
>you cannot claim a *Consensus* unless it can be measured.  Esther
>Dyson of course did not mention that important detail...  Hence, I
>would have to say that to my knowledge the decisions that the ICANN
>Board have taken do not have consensus of any kind as they have yet
>to show any detail as to these decisions having measurable support.
>
> > So it is first a matter of mutual respect.  If I am
> > in a bus and 50 people are OK for the windows to be open and one
> > single person objects to it in good faith, the windows stay closed:
> > this is consensus. In other words a consensus cannot impose
> > anything but to observe that there si no blocking objection (veto).
>
>   Agreed here in principal as well.  As you have shown that 50 people
>want the windows open.  One is a desenter.  That is consensus. And
>the consensus is that the windows should be open.  However, with ICANN
>board decisions, this situation does not apply.

Wrong.
I said that 5O people are OK : they may want, they accept, they may
refuse unless everyone else want the windows to be open).
The consensus makes the windows to stay *closed*..
An agreement could have lead to the windows to be opened if the
majority *wanted* them to be open (a different question to ask).
Jefsey