Re: [ICANN-EU] RFD #1: Forum bylaws

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jefsey and all,

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Dmitri,
> A consensus as Esther Dyson recalled it is not an agreement. It
> simply means that the broad majority is not against and there is
> no blocking factor.

  And I agree with this *Rough* definition in principal anyway.  However
you cannot claim a *Consensus* unless it can be measured.  Esther
Dyson of course did not mention that important detail...  Hence, I
would have to say that to my knowledge the decisions that the ICANN
Board have taken do not have consensus of any kind as they have yet
to show any detail as to these decisions having measurable support.

> So it is first a matter of mutual respect.  If I am
> in a bus and 50 people are OK for the windows to be open and one
> single person objects to it in good faith, the windows stay closed:
> this is consensus. In other words a consensus cannot impose
> anything but to observe that there si no blocking objection (veto).

  Agreed here in principal as well.  As you have shown that 50 people
want the windows open.  One is a desenter.  That is consensus. And
the consensus is that the windows should be open.  However, with ICANN
board decisions, this situation does not apply.

>
>
> At 14:04 29/09/00, you wrote:
> >Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rough consensus  would be my favorite option. As long as we
> > > > understand ourselves as open forum, we should stick to informal
> > > > procedures of consensus-building. This list is still too small yet to
> > > > decide upon rules that will affect all future members.
> > >
> > >   How do you propose that "Rough Consensus" be determines or
> > > measured, Jeanette?  Our members have many times expressed
> > > a definitive answer to this question that is tangible.  What is your
> > > answer/opinion?
> > >
> >As I remember, during pre-ICANN process
> >NSI and US lawyers interpreted "rough consensus" as 60% and more.
> >Is it the same?
> >
> >regards,
> >Dmitri Bourkov

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