Re: [ICANN-EU] FW: Domain Name Survey for At Large Member Nominees

[lutz@iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke)]

* Marc Schneiders wrote:
>> >Certain names are in great demand not because people just type them in in
>> >their browser. That may be true of a very very tiny number. Names are
>> >great because they can be remembered. An easy name sells more easily. Or
>> >to put it differently: An easy name needs less marketing, less
>> >advertising. That saves money. That is why they pay for a good name. And
>> >there is nothing wrong with that, I think.
>> 
>> You are right, but you misused the tool. It's not correct to support further
>> misuse and cry for more tools known to be abused in the same way.
>
>Misuse?

Yes.

>DNS is there because humans can better remember names/words than numbers.

Letters on the phone keyboard are there because humans can better remember
names than numbers. So if you have a phone number for years which can be
reached by a map from a trade mark, you have to choose another one. After a
short period of time, only numbers containing several one and nulls in a row
can be given to private people regardless of the routing problems between
telcos, a problem I'm familar with.

After reaching this state, a new mapping is proposed (via UMTS phones) and
the whole war starts again.

Your point of view applies the same to DNS.

>What I described is some aspects of the use of DNS in that way. No more,
>no less. I was precisely pointing out it was not about DNS as a search
>system...

So there is no need for short or easy names. There is especially no interest
in trade mark holders regarding the DNS names, isn't it?

>> >I have registered some short, common Dutch words. They don't get many hits
>> >just for being short and catchy.
>> 
>> That's solely you problem. Will you pay for a protocol number easier to
>> remember? Will you pay for a similar IP number (like 193.0.0.193 or
>> 47.11.47.11 or 12.34.56.78)?
>
>I did not mention this as a problem. It is not a problem. It was an
>example.

I offered you a small piece of possible consequences. You may ignore it.
But what will happen, if those consequences are on the schedule of an ICANN
directory board meeting?

>> If you try to misuse a tool, you might be successful in the short term but
>> the whole system will fail in the long way. That's it.
>
>Again: What nisuse are you chatting about?

Think about my examples.

>> I'm want to usability in the long way.
>
>Yes, what has that got to do with addresses people can remember? 

People do not have to and do not like to remember addresses. They prefer a
working catchword system, like the one Netscape provides in Navigator. It's
definitly far from perfect (simply a redirect to Google), but surely better
than address misuse.

>> >As soon as one is mentioned on the radio though, this changes
>> >dramatically. To mention a name on the radio, you don't want one like
>> >braintec-consult.de.
>> 
>> So advertise using a catchword catalog (If you enter braintec in your
>> browser, Netscape Navigator redirects it to Google, ...)
>
>Why would one want to do that?

That's what people want.

>Search engines produce a large number of results for a query, usually.

I train people how to ask a search engine to produce not more than 50 results.
It's impossible to expect a surjective mapping from peoples catchwords to
the information they want. Such a Do-What-I-Mean system does not exists.

Trying to use DNS for that purpose is abuse of DNS.

>That is not effective to advertize your company.

Advertising does not bother me. I want a working Internet.

>And proprietary systems like RealNames have not been a great success to
>say the least. Not that I am unhappy about that...:-)

IIUYC you do not have an idea how to advertize without breaking the DNS
system, so you candidate in order to enforce your commercial interests.
After your director's period you got enough money to live without the
broken Internet.

No, I can't believe it. I have to miss your motivation.

>> >But then you probably don't need or want to advertize on radio. So the
>> >name is fine for you.
>> 
>> How do you advertize your postal address over radio? How much is it to
>> change the name of your town to braintec? Why do you want to do this with
>> the internet postal addresses called domain names? Because it's cheap to
>> abuse the system? Fuck off! (sorry)
>
>Apologies accepted. The postal address of a site is perhaps better
>compared to its IP number. Domain names are more inbetween names and
>addresses. That is how they work. Don't like it, if you must. But accept
>the fact.

We already had court orders regarding plain telephon numbers. We already
have protocols (remember ICANN?) which significantly reduce the size of IP
space by using DNS names as physical addresses.

You talk about DNS names as a keyword system (used as a catchword system, so
it has to fail anyway) and do not see the consequences? That's really cool!

>> >Where you to sell consumer goods, it would not. If you sell shoes, you
>> >don't need to have shoes.com or schuhe.de to sell them. happyfeet.com
>> >would also be great.
>> 
>> Please do not overinterpret the power of addresses. It's not a search
>> engine.
>
>No it is not. I never said it was.

So there is no need to interpret a DNS name as a catchword. Fine.

>Please, read before you type a reply. Read, please, the first line of the
>message I was replying to and disagreeing with. I merely tried to
>illustrate that DNS was *not* about search engines but about easy ways of
>finding a site.

I noticed the difference between you sayings and activities. So I point this
out. Sorry for being honest.

>I am curious why that makes you so angry.

My first contact to the Internet dates back to 1990. In the next two years a
managed to build unions of interested people connection to the internet. So
I learned the Internet and similar technologies from the very ground. Due to
our effort Internet in Germany became earlier cheep than in similar
countries. Several years later regional governments promote the Internet
(read about candidate Mr. Gebauer) and claim the idea of private effort for
them. At the same time business noticed the Internet and starts to transform
it from a polydirectonal medium to a medium for dumb customers. Your
agruments fall in the last category.

This is not Othello, this is ICANN.