Re: [ICANN-EU] Questions for Jeanette Hofmann and the other candidates

["Roberto Gaetano" <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com>]

Joop,

Just few notes, as I think that to turn this thread into a series of 
dialogues is not the best approach.

You wrote:
>The ICANN as a membership organization cannot allow its initial DNSO to
>rule on future DNSO structure.
>
I beg your pardon?
The Board "bootstrapped" DNSO (as you said yourself below), and now the DNSO 
will have to continue by itself. ICANN will have a supervisory role, and of 
course will take into account that the proposals coming from the DNSO may be 
biased by the current structure, but there's a difference between 
supervision and ingerence.

>  I also assume that they will evaluate the proposal, and the
> >comment of the DNSO (NC), and therefore it will be more appropriate to
> >concentrate the effort in the DNSO, rather than to seek a possible
> >endorsement outside.
> >
>As you know, Roberto, I have concentrated quite a bit of effort on the DNSO
>over the past 2 years.   The show of hands in Yokohama (67 against 3) , no
>matter how much you would like to focus on the abstainers, showed that I
>had them pretty well convinced.
>Now is the  time to see if this petition will get support from the incoming
>Board members.

Obviously, I was not talking about "your" effort, but about the effort of 
others that may read this list and share your opinion.

In this list there is at most *one* incoming Board member, but maybe 
hundreds of potential supporters for your idea in the DNSO. My point is that 
some of these people joined the AtLarge Membership, but may not even know 
about the General Assembly, the DNSO, and so on. If they join, we will be 
more making pressure for more representation of other parts of the Internet 
in the Name Council.
Simple, I thought.


>How can you say that the ball isn't rolling already in the DNSO?
>We have had a doubly seconded motion and a vote. You yourself are stating
>on the GA list that a second round of voting in the virtual GA would be
>superfluous.

You are absolutely right, I stand corrected.
I wrote GA, but what I meant was the NC (via the Task Force).

>If the Names Council  again refuses co-operation and fudges the Special
>Task Force and the WG on this issue, then it is indeed time for the Board
>to intervene and approve the constituency on a provisional basis, just like
>it did with the non-commercial DN holders constituency in Berlin.

???? the Board *did not* approve NonCom in Berlin, my attempt to mediate 
between the two opposing factions was sunk (and not by the NC, BTW).


>Do you know what would be a bottom-up process?
>To let the General Assembly of the DNSO evolve into a large elected body
>(say 250 members), with powers overriding those of a Names Coucil, that
>would be made up of constituencies naturally evolved from the interests
>that are present in the GA.

Exactly.
You say two things:
- that a bottom-up process is exactly the opposite of invoking top-down 
intervention by the Board
- that the General Assembly has to evolve (pray tell how can it evolve if 
not recruiting more members, for instance among the AtLarge that are 
interested in DNSO matters).

>
>The structure was imposed (and had to be) from the start.
>After the CENTR proposal (and consensus) in Singapore was ignored by the
>Board, many have indeed gone home, embittered and desillusioned.
>Do I need to name names?

May I know which of the points in http://www.icann.org/dnso-formation.html 
was ignored?
The people that went home, quitting the process, were some of the supporters 
of the Paris Draft. Funnily enough, though, only one of the participants in 
the Paris meeting that originated the draft left the process. All the 
others, including myself, are still trying to work for a better DNSO (from 
the inside, without adult supervision).


>In the GA, it's those who are still unrepresented on the NC who are
>spending their precious time.
>And their money, to attend ICANN meetings. For what, do you think?

For what I said above: work for a better DNSO (from the inside, without 
adult supervision).

Regards
Roberto


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