[ICANN-EU] Amsterdam 12 - 15 September, 2000

["JIM FLEMING" <jfleming@anet.com>]

Joop,

Andrew probably does not have time for your concerns. It appears
he is too busy spending the ICANN budget in Amsterdam.

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/current/ripe-37/attendees.html

37th RIPE Meeting
Amsterdam 12 - 15 September, 2000

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----- Original Message -----
From: Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
To: <mclaughlin@pobox.com>; Griffini Giorgio <grunz@tin.it>
Cc: <icann-europe@fitug.de>; Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette@medea.wz-berlin.de>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:23 PM
Subject: RE: [ICANN-EU] [Q&A] the exciting adventures of a nominee


> At 17:32 11/09/00 +0200, Andrew McLaughlin wrote:
> >Joop:
> >
> >There's no mistake.  You are a resident of Asia/Pacific.  Voting is
defined
> >by residency.  Therefore you fall within Asia/Pacific for purposes of
> >voting.  Candidacy is defined by citizenship.  Therefore, you fall within
> >Europe for purposes of candidacy.
> >
> >This cannot be news to you -- this structure has been discussed and
debated
> >since the very first ICANN meeting in Singapore.  You should review the
> >various multimedia meeting archives, where you will find lots of
discussion
> >of this odd structure.  The Bylaws, representing an essential element of
the
> >underlying ICANN compromises from 1998, required that at least one
Director
> >be a citizen of each geographic region.  Citizenship is the test for
> >Directors, therefore citizenship must be the test for candidates &
nominees.
> >However, ICANN does not have the capacity (with our one At Large staff
> >person) to verify citizenship of individual At Large members.  Therefore,
> >the mailing address used for the PIN letters provides the basis for
regional
> >assignment of members.
> >
> >Is that a clear explanation?
> >
>
> Andrew,
> The explanation is clear and, yes, I have been aware of the Citizenship
> requirement for Directors for a long time.
> The fact that I am now apparently wrong in concluding that support for
> regionally (citizenship based) assigned directors must come from
regionally
> assigned (citizenship based) members only demonstrates how odd the rules
are.
> I have protested these rules on the grounds that they make it effectively
> impossible for an expat to run for Director.
>
> I am now protesting the Q&A infrastructure and its lack of flexibility,
> because they make it impossible for an expat to participate in web-based
> debate in the region where (s)he might want to campaign later as director.
>
> Why don't  you allow the @large participants to ask *any* candidate
questions?
>
> Apart from the expat issue, the Asia/Pacific region also shows another
> deficiency.
> Australia, New Zealand and some other countries  are clearly "orphaned" in
> this region.
> China, Japan and Korea dominate this region. There is barely any
> communication between Aus/NZ members and the @large candidates.
> There is no chance that Aus/NZ will ever get the numbers to get their own
> candidate in.
> Culturally we belong to Europe, even though economically we are part of
> Asia.  We understand each other's arguments.
> (This is also why I joined the EU forum).
>
> You will see increased tension and frustration arising about this
> artificial ICANN division of the world.
> Inflexibility of your interface will only aggravate it.
>
>
>
> --Joop Teernstra LL.M.--
> the Cyberspace Association and
> the constituency for Individual Domain Name Owners
> http://www.idno.org
>
>