Re: [ICANN-EU] Amsterdam 12 - 15 September, 2000

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jim and all,

  I also noticed that Louis Touton is attending.  I wonder if this is on
ICANN expenses????

JIM FLEMING wrote:

> Joop,
>
> Andrew probably does not have time for your concerns. It appears
> he is too busy spending the ICANN budget in Amsterdam.
>
> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/current/ripe-37/attendees.html
>
> 37th RIPE Meeting
> Amsterdam 12 - 15 September, 2000
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> Jim Fleming
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
> To: <mclaughlin@pobox.com>; Griffini Giorgio <grunz@tin.it>
> Cc: <icann-europe@fitug.de>; Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette@medea.wz-berlin.de>
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [ICANN-EU] [Q&A] the exciting adventures of a nominee
>
> > At 17:32 11/09/00 +0200, Andrew McLaughlin wrote:
> > >Joop:
> > >
> > >There's no mistake.  You are a resident of Asia/Pacific.  Voting is
> defined
> > >by residency.  Therefore you fall within Asia/Pacific for purposes of
> > >voting.  Candidacy is defined by citizenship.  Therefore, you fall within
> > >Europe for purposes of candidacy.
> > >
> > >This cannot be news to you -- this structure has been discussed and
> debated
> > >since the very first ICANN meeting in Singapore.  You should review the
> > >various multimedia meeting archives, where you will find lots of
> discussion
> > >of this odd structure.  The Bylaws, representing an essential element of
> the
> > >underlying ICANN compromises from 1998, required that at least one
> Director
> > >be a citizen of each geographic region.  Citizenship is the test for
> > >Directors, therefore citizenship must be the test for candidates &
> nominees.
> > >However, ICANN does not have the capacity (with our one At Large staff
> > >person) to verify citizenship of individual At Large members.  Therefore,
> > >the mailing address used for the PIN letters provides the basis for
> regional
> > >assignment of members.
> > >
> > >Is that a clear explanation?
> > >
> >
> > Andrew,
> > The explanation is clear and, yes, I have been aware of the Citizenship
> > requirement for Directors for a long time.
> > The fact that I am now apparently wrong in concluding that support for
> > regionally (citizenship based) assigned directors must come from
> regionally
> > assigned (citizenship based) members only demonstrates how odd the rules
> are.
> > I have protested these rules on the grounds that they make it effectively
> > impossible for an expat to run for Director.
> >
> > I am now protesting the Q&A infrastructure and its lack of flexibility,
> > because they make it impossible for an expat to participate in web-based
> > debate in the region where (s)he might want to campaign later as director.
> >
> > Why don't  you allow the @large participants to ask *any* candidate
> questions?
> >
> > Apart from the expat issue, the Asia/Pacific region also shows another
> > deficiency.
> > Australia, New Zealand and some other countries  are clearly "orphaned" in
> > this region.
> > China, Japan and Korea dominate this region. There is barely any
> > communication between Aus/NZ members and the @large candidates.
> > There is no chance that Aus/NZ will ever get the numbers to get their own
> > candidate in.
> > Culturally we belong to Europe, even though economically we are part of
> > Asia.  We understand each other's arguments.
> > (This is also why I joined the EU forum).
> >
> > You will see increased tension and frustration arising about this
> > artificial ICANN division of the world.
> > Inflexibility of your interface will only aggravate it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --Joop Teernstra LL.M.--
> > the Cyberspace Association and
> > the constituency for Individual Domain Name Owners
> > http://www.idno.org
> >
> >

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