Re: [ICANN-EU] Re: Don't waste your endorsement

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Andreas and all,

  We have a saying in the USA.  Figures don't lie, but liars figure...
In other words, a "Service Charge" = "Tax". Call it what you want,
but that is what it is.

  As for ICANN opening it's books, that is pure nonsense.  They have
yet to do so...

Andreas Fügner wrote:

> Dear Jeff, dear Marc:
>
> I did not see ICANN call it a tax.
> It is a service charge. ICANN
> opens its books to everyone in
> an understandable way. Thus,
> there is little room for cheating.
>
> ICANN needs funding and
> I rather have an open service charge
> than hidden sponsorships or
> lobbying money from unknown
> people channeled through law firms
> or other "non-profit" organizations.
>
> Andreas Fuegner
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> An: Marc Schneiders <marc@venster.nl>
> Cc: Lutz Donnerhacke <lutz@iks-jena.de>; icann-europe@fitug.de
> <icann-europe@fitug.de>; commerce <commerce@mail.house.gov>; Phil Gramm
> <phil_gramm@gramm.senate.gov>; Becky Burr <bburr@ntia.doc.gov>; Barbara
> Simons <simons@acm.org>; Nick Jesdanun <njesdanun@ap.org>; Richard K. Armey
> <tx26@legislators.com>
> Datum: Dienstag, 12. September 2000 10:27
> Betreff: Re: [ICANN-EU] Re: Don't waste your endorsement
>
> >Marc and all,
> >
> >  The Tax that ICANN is attempting to levy is not legal in all
> >countries.  The US for instance.  Taxation without representation
> >is not legal as I said and is unnecessary as a means of funding
> >for ICANN.  We have been here before with ICANN and their
> >wanting to TAX the internet in some fashion.  The US Congress
> >nixed any taxes on the internet for several years.  How or why
> >the ICANN board believes with the Registry agreement that it can
> >sneak this TAX by again is beyond me....
> >
> >Marc Schneiders wrote:
> >
> >> On 11 Sep 2000, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote:
> >>
> >> > * Marc Schneiders wrote:
> >> > >On 8 Sep 2000, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote:
> >> > >> * Marc Schneiders wrote:
> >> > >> > Maybe by introducing new gTLDs with the customary tax of $0.33 for
> each
> >> > >> > domain? (Did you know about that by the way? Not many seem to do.)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I heard about such proposals but--as you can imagine--I was not able
> to
> >> > >> follow all news (and olds) while laying down at doctor's couch. So
> I'm
> >> > >> really proud of nearly dealing with all mail of the last weeks. If I
> missed
> >> > >> some questions, please mail me.
> >> > >
> >> > >This is not a proposal. This is an existing tax.
> >> >
> >> > No I found it, too.
> >>
> >> You mean "Yes,..." I assume.
> >>
> >> > >Did you not know where the Corporation you were running for, gets its
> >> > >money from?
> >> >
> >> > No, did you expect me reading all documents available? You are wrong.
> >>
> >> I might have been wrong if I would have been expecting that. I did not.
> >> I was amazed that you did not know about the ICANN tax on
> >> domains. Especially since you were so vocal against new gTLDs, which
> would
> >> through the tax improve ICANNs financial position significantly.
> >> So I do think, that you should have known about it, yes. Is that wrong?
> >>
> >> > I read the most important ones, those defining the cooperation. it's
> history
> >> > in short, and some critical dispute documents.
> >>
> >> Yes, maybe ICANN does not communicate about the tax it levies very
> >> much... It has been in the press recently though, when a substantive
> >> number of ccTLD registries refused to pay it...
> >>
> >> --
> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >> % Marc Schneiders ------- Venster - http://www.venster.nl %
> >> %* marc@venster.nl - marc@bijt.net - marc@schneiders.org *%
> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >--
> >Jeffrey A. Williams
> >Spokesman INEGroup (Over 112k members strong!)
> >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
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> >
> >
> >
> >

Regards,

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