Re: [ICANN-EU] LA @large meeting preparation

[Jefsey Morfin <jefsey@wanadoo.fr>]

Dear JDD
Thx for your post. I will try to address it.
At 11:07 15/10/00, you wrote:
>Le dim, 15 oct 2000, Jefsey Morfin a écrit :
> > We are the ICANN @large.
>do you have the complete list of icann members? you are only a subset of
>informed members.

-  only the ICANN has the list.
-  "we are the Members" means that you, me, belong to the @large constituency
    and have the right to speak as such. Not the ICANN. Same meaning as
    Mirabeau saying "we are the French people". This is the basis of democracy.

>the problem is: how can we join the others? How can you know for sure
>somebody is really a icann@large member?

Yes the problem is to join the other. This is why the first action point is to
get the ICANN mailing the @large about what is been already achieved and
link every ICANN @large oriented site to their site. BTW people must understand
that election period is over and that the @large ML/sites are cooperating 
within
the ICANN as does the DNSO or others.

You know someone is an àlarge because he has a PIN. But it only means
that he has already registered. Everyone who uses the Internet has the right
to be an @large Member: he may become one depending on practicalities.

> > The people Marc is refering to are the people who could not vote because
> > their PIN did not work or unable to register because they never received
> > their PIN.
>how can you know who is who? I agree there are problems, but  the icann
>voting procedure is not unreasonable. I have personnaly at least 5
>different e-mail, I could vote 5 times is this was the only criterium. we
>need some sort of control

Again you know it because they have a PIN. Half the people did not received
yet their PIN at the start of the election. You can look into the figures 
published
on different sites about the present situation (I did not keep track). Probably
Vittorio knows that.  I have personnaly around 12000 mails in 4000 different
domain names and my (singl) PIN does not work !!!

> > IMHO the membership period is a absurd (and we know it is just a way
> > controlling the @large constituency at low cost): people should be able
> > to register and unregister when they want.
>
>sorry, that's not completely right. in any country the voting lists are
>closed some time before voting for consistency and control. Anyway there
>should be a large and well know membership period.

1) This is a pure management issue.
2) please do not confuse ICANN with a government: it is non profit
    association.

>I think there are two works important :
>*supporting our representative, and this could be done on a closed list -
>there are already many members.

This is the purpose of this list. Why we invited Andy in France. Why
we work on priority action points. So we agree.

>*promoting membership : shout at the public : icann is open, go and
>subscribe, go and support us...

I agree again. But I will add: for doing what?

The most important/complex issue the world had to face (IP addressing
plan) is to be engaged. The pseudo important TLDs issue is to be
resolved. Who is "us" and what are your propositions? In trying to
lilit myself to the basic (the practical organization of the @large details)
I already have different opinions interfering, so....  :-)

Take care.
Jefsey