Re: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and Tiscal i

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Marc, Roeland and all assembly members,

  We [INEGroup] have long agreed that splitting the Net/Root structure
was not the best solution to expansion of the DNS and especially the
addition of new TLD's.  However the ICANN Interim BoD and than
the ICANN BOD and staff have made this necessary by their lack
of both vision and disregard for RFC 1591.  Hence companies such
as New.Net along with other ISP's have little choice if they wish to
remain competitive in a ever increasingly competitive market.

  The ICANN BoD and staff have created the "Mess" and have also
refused to help clean it up thus far.  I personally suspect that sometime
down the road that this too shall see a great change in direction.

Marc Schneiders wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, at 15:36 [=GMT-0800], Roeland Meyer wrote:
>
> > If you think about it, this is obviously what ICANN wants. As the main dog
> > in the manger, keeping all other cooperative/collective solutions
> > suppressed, the cartel approach is the only way left to route around them.
> >
> > The ICANN is either too stupid for words or they are cunningly manipulating
> > the internet into a cartel-only existance. I don't see a middle-ground
> > interpretation of their actions. Maybe my imagination is lacking?
>
> I think your imigination is quite acurate. Unfortunately. This doesn't
> mean I have to like the solution of new.net, or any other counter
> cartel. ICANN may be a cartel (and mainly it is, I think). That
> doesn't mean that the way out is a competitor that does not 'talk'
> with it. Yes, I know that the breaking down of Telco monopolies (I
> only know about here, Holland) was not easy, but at least it did not
> turn into a _mess_. new.net etc means a mess, as you know. I have seen
> your efforts to repair this mess on a technical DNS level, and I
> appreciate your ideas. But this is not the way for 'users'.
>
> We should avoid a mess, really, not because it would not be fun, it
> would be.
>
> M
>
>  > > |> -----Original
> Message----- > |> From: Marc Schneiders [mailto:marc@schneiders.org]
> > |> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:11 PM
> > |> To: steinle@smartvia.de
> > |> Cc: icann-europe@lists.fitug.de; ga@dnso.org
> > |> Subject: Re: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and
> > |> Tiscali
> > |>
> > |>
> > |> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, at 22:51 [=GMT+0100], steinle@smartvia.de wrote:
> > |>
> > |> > @ Pascal and all,
> > |> >
> > |> > There will be definitivly a Domain resolution over the Tiscali
> > |> > DNS. All other is wishful thinking from you as a competitor.
> > |> >
> > |> > According to my information New.net will add another big ISP in
> > |> > the next days to jump over 100 mil users with access before 2002.
> > |> >
> > |> > ISPs smell the cash... there is no reason for ISPs why they
> > |> > shouldn't join the New.net team. Hey, they get mo money and their
> > |> > customers get more TLDs. Sounds goog to me.
> > |> >
> > |> > Sorry,
> > |> > but as always money makes the world go round.
> > |>
> > |> No need to apologize, just to think. Is this what we want? Me selling
> > |> bad.kids and you too?
> > |>
> > |> I don't think so. I would like to go for something solid. Regulated,
> > |> but NOT a cartel.
> > |>
> > |> --
> > |> marc@j.root-servers.orsc
> > |>
> > |> >
> > |> > cheers,
> > |> > simon
> > |> > http://nic.pro.xs2.net
> > |> >
> > |> > > Jeff, Thomas and all,
> > |> > > Tiscal has confirmed that there is a form of cooperation
> > |> with new.net.
> > |> > > _but_ following my information, there's no active
> > |> registration over the
> > |> > > Tiscali network. Furthermore a Domain resolution over
> > |> the Tiscali DNS
> > |> > > has not been confirmed yet. As far as I know, there are
> > |> no further
> > |> > > informations as the press release of new.net, which
> > |> doesn't say veray
> > |> > > much...
> > |> > > Regards,
> > |> > > Pascal
> > |> > > On 20 Dec 2001 at 13:16, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > |> > > > Thomas and all,
> > |> > > >
> > |> > > >   Thomas, thank you for this input.  It is not
> > |> unexpected of course. As
> > |> > > > has been the steady but somewhat subdued trend, the
> > |> ISP's seeking
> > |> > > > additional customers and service product offerings,
> > |> Inclusive and
> > |> > > > competitive registries/Root structures are becoming
> > |> the best avenue for
> > |> > > > both potential customer and the ISP's....
> > |> > > >
> > |> > > > Thomas Roessler wrote:
> > |> > > >
> > |> > > > > According to an item on Heise's news ticker, Tiscali
> > |> - one of the
> > |> > > > > larger European ISPs - has joined the club of those
> > |> who will add
> > |> > > > > new.net's domains.
> > |> > > > >
> > |> > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-20.12.01-000/
> > |> > > > > http://www.new.net/tiscali_press.tp
> > |> > > > >
> > |> > > > > There doesn't seem to be any press release on
> > |> Tiscali's web site.
> > |> > > > >
> > |> > > > > --
> > |> > > > > Thomas Roessler
> > http://log.does-not-exist.org/
> > > > > >
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