RE: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and Tiscali

[Marc Schneiders <marc@schneiders.org>]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, at 15:36 [=GMT-0800], Roeland Meyer wrote:

> If you think about it, this is obviously what ICANN wants. As the main dog
> in the manger, keeping all other cooperative/collective solutions
> suppressed, the cartel approach is the only way left to route around them.
> 
> The ICANN is either too stupid for words or they are cunningly manipulating
> the internet into a cartel-only existance. I don't see a middle-ground
> interpretation of their actions. Maybe my imagination is lacking?

I think your imigination is quite acurate. Unfortunately. This doesn't
mean I have to like the solution of new.net, or any other counter
cartel. ICANN may be a cartel (and mainly it is, I think). That
doesn't mean that the way out is a competitor that does not 'talk'
with it. Yes, I know that the breaking down of Telco monopolies (I
only know about here, Holland) was not easy, but at least it did not
turn into a _mess_. new.net etc means a mess, as you know. I have seen
your efforts to repair this mess on a technical DNS level, and I
appreciate your ideas. But this is not the way for 'users'.

We should avoid a mess, really, not because it would not be fun, it
would be.

M

 > > |> -----Original
Message----- > |> From: Marc Schneiders [mailto:marc@schneiders.org]
> |> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:11 PM
> |> To: steinle@smartvia.de
> |> Cc: icann-europe@lists.fitug.de; ga@dnso.org
> |> Subject: Re: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and
> |> Tiscali
> |> 
> |> 
> |> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, at 22:51 [=GMT+0100], steinle@smartvia.de wrote:
> |> 
> |> > @ Pascal and all,
> |> > 
> |> > There will be definitivly a Domain resolution over the Tiscali
> |> > DNS. All other is wishful thinking from you as a competitor.
> |> > 
> |> > According to my information New.net will add another big ISP in
> |> > the next days to jump over 100 mil users with access before 2002.
> |> > 
> |> > ISPs smell the cash... there is no reason for ISPs why they
> |> > shouldn't join the New.net team. Hey, they get mo money and their
> |> > customers get more TLDs. Sounds goog to me.
> |> > 
> |> > Sorry,
> |> > but as always money makes the world go round.
> |> 
> |> No need to apologize, just to think. Is this what we want? Me selling
> |> bad.kids and you too? 
> |> 
> |> I don't think so. I would like to go for something solid. Regulated,
> |> but NOT a cartel.
> |> 
> |> -- 
> |> marc@j.root-servers.orsc
> |> 
> |> > 
> |> > cheers,
> |> > simon
> |> > http://nic.pro.xs2.net
> |> > 
> |> > > Jeff, Thomas and all,
> |> > > Tiscal has confirmed that there is a form of cooperation 
> |> with new.net.
> |> > > _but_ following my information, there's no active 
> |> registration over the 
> |> > > Tiscali network. Furthermore a Domain resolution over 
> |> the Tiscali DNS 
> |> > > has not been confirmed yet. As far as I know, there are 
> |> no further 
> |> > > informations as the press release of new.net, which 
> |> doesn't say veray 
> |> > > much...
> |> > > Regards,
> |> > > Pascal
> |> > > On 20 Dec 2001 at 13:16, Jeff Williams wrote:
> |> > > > Thomas and all,
> |> > > > 
> |> > > >   Thomas, thank you for this input.  It is not 
> |> unexpected of course. As
> |> > > > has been the steady but somewhat subdued trend, the 
> |> ISP's seeking
> |> > > > additional customers and service product offerings, 
> |> Inclusive and
> |> > > > competitive registries/Root structures are becoming 
> |> the best avenue for
> |> > > > both potential customer and the ISP's....
> |> > > > 
> |> > > > Thomas Roessler wrote:
> |> > > > 
> |> > > > > According to an item on Heise's news ticker, Tiscali 
> |> - one of the
> |> > > > > larger European ISPs - has joined the club of those 
> |> who will add
> |> > > > > new.net's domains.
> |> > > > >
> |> > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-20.12.01-000/
> |> > > > > http://www.new.net/tiscali_press.tp
> |> > > > >
> |> > > > > There doesn't seem to be any press release on 
> |> Tiscali's web site.
> |> > > > >
> |> > > > > --
> |> > > > > Thomas Roessler                        
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