Re: [icann-europe] European RootServer System

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Andy and all,

  Andy, you have got to expect that the ICANN'ites will do whatever they
can to place New.net or any other competitive and inclusive registry
and/or root structure i a bad or negative light.  Some fools will buy off
on it as well.  That's life I suppose. :(  None the less New.Net IOHO
is simply a competitor that is much more inclusive and transparent
that the ICANN BoD and Staff's version/vision of the internet especially
when it comes to the DNS.

Andy Duff wrote:

> I think the point Marc was making was to try and establish _why_ everyone
> keeps on saying that New.net is "destabilising the Internet". or "one of the
> worst offenders". Otherwise we are dealing with assertions like the one in
> that rather wonderful Southpark episode where the teacher stands up and says
> "Drugs 'r Baaaad, M'kay? 'cause they're bad, m'kay? Alcohol's bad, m'kay?
> M'kay?"
>
> I suggest the best option is to ignore New.net right now and concentrate on
> trying to fix a messy system of DNS governance which has resulted in
> companies like New.net coming into existence to satisfy a perceived market
> demand. New.net is about TLDs, and not really anything directly to do with
> Root servers.
>
> Perhaps we should get back to the topic in hand, which is Jefsey's initial
> question as to whether there is interest in (or a desire for) a European
> root server system. It would be good to have a rational discussion of this
> on this list. Marc is absolutely correct that this would really be a very
> simple thing to achieve in theory (changing a tiny file in the nameservers).
> However, whether it is a) desirable or b) necessary is a very different
> question.
>
> To answer that question requires a proper analysis of whether a European
> Root Server system would add any value to the (European) users of the
> Internet. Here there are really two issues. One is a security issue (i.e.
> will it enhance the reliability and stability of the Internet for European
> Users) and the other is a question of semantic "control" over the Internet's
> naming system (which many others feel is too much embedded within ICANN and
> USG control of the legacy root at the moment). Any thoughts on these two
> issues? I know very little on the first, and think the second is important,
> but way bigger (and smaller) than just the European context. Bigger as in
> Asia-pacific and the issue of ML domain names in completely different
> character sets, and smaller in that there are obviously numerous language
> communities based in Europe which might have different semantic requirements
> and desires in terms of the DNS (and more specifically TLDs).
>
> As some context, I'd like to raise some facts and some opinions -
>
> 1. The fact is that the USG maintains control over the legacy root at
> present. Although they say they wish to hand control over to ICANN, they
> have stalled on this a number of times now (not without reason, considering
> the way that ICANN has turned out).
>
> 2. It is my belief that the US will not give up control of the legacy root
> for at last the next 5 years and possibly never. There are a number of
> reasons for this, ranging from the increasingly control-oriented language
> being heard on Capitol Hill through to the fact that the USG would never
> risk it's reputation by giving the control of the root to an organisation
> that so clearly has not performed as hoped (which of course even Dr Lynn now
> acknowledges).
>
> 3. The date of 30 September is looming. This is the date of the renewal of
> the MoU between the USG and ICANN. There seems little doubt that the
> attempts to reform ICANN now are an attempt to get the organisation into
> shape prior to that date so that the MoU can be renewed. It is of course
> entirely possible that the MoU will not be renewed, but will only be
> "extended" for a period. (I actually think this is most likely).
>
> 4. As the userbase of the Internet becomes more global in make-up, the
> pressures of national interest become greater, and the idealised concept of
> a privatised policy making function for the DNS based in California becomes
> less realistic. The nascent attempts at creating different root systems are
> proof enough of this already.
>
> In light of these points, I do think it is pertinent and sensible to at
> least explore this issue, not because multiple technical roots are
> necessarily desirable, but because they may (particularly in the long term)
> be the most pragmatic and secure way of ensuring interoperability of naming
> systems.  I know that is the perspective of the ITU which is concerned with
> the pragmatic operation of technical systems within the real world
> constraints of national interests.
>
> andy duff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christoph [mailto:wefa2@gmx.de]
> Sent: 23 April 2002 01:07
> To: icann-europe@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: [Fwd: Re: [icann-europe] Re: [ecdiscuss] Re: [icann-europe]
> European RootServer System]
>
> [forwarded to list]
>
> Hi,
>
> Florian Weimer wrote:
> > Marc Schneiders <marc@schneiders.org> writes:
> > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 13:56 [=GMT+0100], Steve Dyer wrote:
> > >
> > >> And let's not encourage those who try to profit from destabilising an
> > >> Internet that works pretty well at present.
> > >
> > > Who are they? I am curious.
> >
> > New.net and its ISP partners
>
> Yep. One of the worst offenders.
>
> > In addition, New.net DNS is activated automatically on Windows
> > machines if you install certain Windows programs (BearShare, KaZaA,
>
> Sure ? I've had KaZaa on one of my machines briefly a few months ago, and
> had it checked by AdAware - it didn't report this...
>
> Any Idea how I can determine the presence of their plug in ?
>
> Regards
>
> Christoph Weber-Fahr
>
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