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Re: [atlarge-discuss] let keep cool, organized and simple
Todd (et al):
You’re rather late to this party. How timely of you to parachute in to our ship that’s already at sea.
I refer you to my previous post to Danny.
You are diverting us and wasting our time!
For you as well, BE SOMEWHERE ELSE! I won’t be reading any more of your on-list posts for the next two weeks.
/s/ Joey
At 09:45 AM 8/27/2002 -0700, todd glassey wrote:
>before we name this group - lets decide what its deliverables are!.
>
>Todd
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joey Borda **star*walker**" <starwalker@gay.com>
>To: "J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@club-internet.fr>;
><atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>
>Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:00 AM
>Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] let keep cool, organized and simple
>
>
>> Jefsey (et al):
>>
>> Count me in!
>>
>> I will help in EVERY way at my disposal, which in a few days will also
>include 400Kbps x 64Kbps (Up x Down) satellite service with
>Direcway+Earthlink. I will be connected 24/7 which should ameliorate
>somewhat the dynamic IP renaming with every disconnect-reconnect.
>>
>> And it is my limited understanding right now that there are ways around
>dynamic IP renaming to give me a virtual static IP! I'm prepared to stand
>corrected by those who ABSOLUTELY know more, not who "think" they know more.
>>
>> I have purchased the latest version of SusE Linux (8.0) to put on one of
>my networked PC systems, along with Sun Microsystem's Staroffice 6.0 to put
>on all of my systems of all Windows flavors along with Linux. I am hot to
>trot!
>>
>> LET'S GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD!
>>
>> If anyone cannot glean from my words so far how my vote will be cast in
>the coming NAME-THIS-GROUP election, I am now crystal clear. It will be in
>support of Jefsey's proposal! I cannot, will not, settle for less a vision
>than his.
>>
>> Cordial greetings to all... /s/ Joey
>>
>> Tuesday, August 27, 2002 * 10:57 AM EDT USA
>> =====
>> ** I ** make mistakes... every thousand years, or so...
>> -
>> When that happens I like to learn from them. Now therefore, I welcome and
>encourage you to bring my mistakes to my attention, so I am not "condemned"
>to make them again. ;-) /s/ Joey
>> =====
>>
>> At 03:52 PM 8/27/2002 +0200, J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
>>
>> >Dear all,
>> >I am extremely confused by the situation regarding our organization, its
>name and its web site(s). I am also surprised at the way we cannot organize
>into some reasonable international simple concertance.
>> >
>> >
>> >1. name
>> >
>> >We are the @large. That name has history, definitions, records. We are
>not a specific body, we are a crowd, and we want to be a large crowd. We do
>not want to be ruled and directed, but helped into common understandings and
>actions.
>> >
>> >To that end we need some support structures. These structures must have a
>name. That name is natural when we consider the countries (like
>france@large), by consequence we can think that icann@large will be
>understood as the @large people interested in ICANN.
>> >
>> >
>> >2. structure
>> >
>> >We have elected a panel (the name of which is naturally panel@large) and
>we need a small legal structure to embody it, the secretariat
>(secretariat@large), the accounting etc... That worldwide, all Internet and
>administrative concerns structure needs a name.
>> >
>> >it can be world@large, internet@large, admin@large.
>> >
>> >I favor world@large for the reason the "@" is already associated with
>Internet in the brainware and that, by nature, an incorporated structure is
>to carry administration. This also frees the names for more specific WGs.
>> >
>> >
>> >3. naming plan / directory
>> >
>> >we have a brainware built-in directory:
>> >
>> >- structure: wold@large, admin@large, possibly internet@large
>> >- geographic : france@large, new-york@large, etc..
>> >- thematic: icann@lagre, isoc@large, gac@large
>> >
>> >what people do with it, is their cup of tea. Names like:
>> >
>> >http://workdatlarge.org
>> >http://atlarge.ca
>> >http://at-large.de
>> >
>> >are good to me if it is good to them. Anyway I cannot do anything about
>it.
>> >
>> >
>> >4. TLD
>> >
>> >The idea of including TLD in legal names does not make any sense. If
>there is a TLD, it means it is an address. If there is no TLD, it means it
>is a body.
>> >
>> >Including TLDs in names has been repetedly refused by WIPO and judges as
>making any difference. It is confusing and only shows that the people
>wearing it have not really understood what DNS is (unless the TLD has a
>particular added meaning, apart from "I have been sold by ISOC").
>> >
>> >"atlarge.org" can be UDRPed by atlarge.com. A TLD is NO part of a name.
>The idea that a name must be on ".com", ".org", ".net" is a US centric idea,
>which is outdated as ".info", ".us" etc. take over.
>> >
>> >This looks as people giving their telephone number, but not bothering
>about the area code. Their forename but not their name. The TLD is the area
>code or the name in an Internet name. Boring to memorize it? well if I tell
>you to send me a mail to "jefsey" and I suppose you know that I am under
>"@club-internet.fr" who will be boring who?
>> >
>> >
>> >4. the atlarge ULD
>> >
>> >an ULD (upper level domain) is an SLD used as a charter for a proposed
>TLD (see below). Our target as @large is to have new TLDs permitted ASAP.
>The first TLD we want is ".atlarge".
>> >
>> >To support that project I have initiated though the world@wide
>foundation, the "@LARGE WORLD SYSTEM" (@WS project, to propose, organize and
>operate the ".atlarge" ULD. That project obviously uses the SLD
>".atlarge.ws" for immediate support and also supports the ".atlarge" TLD as
>part of the ICANN/ICP-3 compliant experimental dot-root project.
>> >
>> >This project will provide a free Internet name to every @large cell
>requesting it. It will be managed by the WG-@WS any of you can join. Its CIC
>(Community Information Center) address is http://atlarge.ws.
>> >
>> >Upon registration an "xyz" @large cell will get the following internet
>names supported:
>> >http://xyz.atlarge.ws xyz@large.ws and ---@xyz.atlarge.ws
>> >http://xyz.atlarge and ---@xyz.atlarge
>> >These internet names can be used as main or alias addresses.
>> >
>> >Please see the CIC for examples.
>> >
>> >
>> >5. Site resources
>> >
>> >We need to help the local cells to establish their own sites. The
>world@wide foundation can provide free or very low cost hosting of sites to
>the WG and local cells - including ftp dedicated access, mails and mailing
>lists. But it has not the management resources to organize that. It needs
>help.
>> >
>> >
>> >6. Aliases
>> >
>> >It seems that a lot of misunderstandings on the @large name issue comes
>from a lack of command of the aliases. To understand better:
>> >
>> >- domain names are very specific names of real properties (machines, disk
>space, IP addresses, server etc). They have been used in a confusing way.
>> >- Internet uses numbers (IP addresses) and names.
>> >
>> >Internet names are used by the DNS *and* by several other functions to
>get into a defined place.
>> >- DNS relates a name to a machine
>> >- Apache relates a name on a machine to a virtual host
>> >- sendmail etc.. relates a name on a machine to a mailbox into a mail
>directory
>> >
>> >These systems accept aliases. This means that the same place may be
>accessed with different names. But that information has to be provided to
>the corresponding tool (DNS, Apache, sendmail).
>> >
>> >The most common use of aliases is the "http://www.name.com"; and
>"http://name.com";. These are two different Internet names. To be supported
>that names MUST have been entered as aliases (or CNAME in DNS wording) both
>in the DNS and in Apache.
>> >
>> >This means that the *existing* site http://icannatlarge.com can be easily
>accessed as:
>> >
>> >- http://worldatlarge.org
>> >- http://world.atlarge.ws
>> >- http://joanna.lane.co.uk
>> >- http://www.jeff.williams.tk
>> >
>> >etc... as long as the IP of the server has been declared in the DNS for
>these names and their www.aliases and that these names have been entered in
>the host configuration as aliases. Joop could have made it supported for
>months. He asked for me to point icannatlarge.org to icannatlarge,com but
>never provide the IP and the response on his ability to accept it as an
>alias.
>> >
>> >
>> >7. organization management
>> >
>> >We obviously have an organization management problem. That problem is not
>the problem of our group; that problem is generic. We want to relate by mail
>between independent people and organizations and to take joint decisions,
>etc. while having people submitted to very strict financial limitations irt
>access and traffic. This cannot simply be done unless we design an
>appropriate tool. I think we are a unique group of various nations, cultures
>and competences to specify and test such a product. We however need a few
>designers to program it.
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> call for help
>> >
>> >With all this in mind I call for help. In order to :
>> >
>> >- share in the WG-@WS working group to manage the ".atlarge" namespace.
>> >- share in a faq@atlarge site and mailing list to help the @large people
>to understand how to build the Internet presence of their cell
>> >- share in the specification and the development of a generic tool
>supporting our management. I suppose it should be written in C for the
>server site and in Java for a local applet.
>> >
>> >jfc
>> >
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