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[atlarge-discuss] 006 Name - Resolution passes on .com extension
Dear Joanna,
I do not like repeating myself and I hope my responses here conclude
the discussion on this subject.
Joanna Lane wrote:
>
> Vivek,
> My understanding of your "X" next to the word YES under
> the Resolution meant that you agreed with it, and that your further
> comments sought not to reject the Motion, but to take it a stage
> further and eliminate all TLD extensions from the name, as well as
> the .COM.
The ballot I sent shows an X next to the word "YES" below a resolution
that *carries* my amendment. Methinks it was quite clear and precise,
leaving no scope for misunderstanding. However, if that did happen, I
withdraw my objection and seek rectification of the ballot.
I understand your viewpoint on the TLD issue and do not feel too
strongly about it to even counter your arguments. However, we all have
views and each is entitled to share them with others, rather than
shove them down their throats. While I do not suggest you have sought
to do so, I was alarmed at the **explanation** put forward by you for
ignoring the amendment I proposed. It seemed very ICANNistic. Please
not that I only registered my objection to the same and not to your
views or you personally.
As a panelist I am no less entitled to put forward my views than you
are. If you believe I must move a separate proposal, it is not I who
seeks to delay through unnecessary procedure. In the absence of
concrete bye-laws in this regard, it is important to facilitate rather
than to make such judgments. I had hoped to accelerate our process by
voting along with the amendment I proposed.
> Equally, I will make sure there is sufficient time allotted for
> amendments to be made before the formal voting commences. This
> would normally add 2-3 days to the process.
I support such procedure.
> Regarding the procedures, I am relying on the fundamental principles
> that every voice shall be heard, at the same time the process must >
not become protracted by endless commentary. Equally, a course of
> action that has very little support should be removed from
> consideration at an early stage so as not to waste the efforts of
> Members.
Again I understand your concerns. But beyond being concerned, I see no
requirement for the Chair to step in. This is very subjective. We are
all, I hope, capable of maturity, sufficient to balance discussion and
efficiency. I do not want to cede such discretion to the Chair.
I agree that we should move on. Btw, have we decided on how the
membership will vote on the name?
Regards,
Vivek Durai
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vivek@vivekdurai.com [mailto:vivek@vivekdurai.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:43 PM
> > To: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: [atlarge-panel] 006 Deciding Name - Amendment Sought
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > STEP 1 is the Chair's call to each Panelist to agree the
text of
> the
> > > following Resolution.
> > >
> > > RESOLUTION on .COM EXTENSION
> > >
> > > "Whereas the Panel recognizes that the image
portrayed by a
> > non-profit
> > > organization is not enhanced by using a domain name with an
> > > extension that
> > > has highly commercial connotations, it is resolved to
change
> > > the [Primary] domain name of [our organisation]
> > to one that does not use the .COM extension."
> > >
> > > Vote:
> > >
> > > YES: X
> > >
> > > NO:
> > >
> > > Abstain:
> >
> > COMMENTS: The resolution should be reworded to change .COM
from the
> > status of "primary domain". The name of the
organisation does not
> have
> > to include its TLD !! All other TLDs must be registered by the
> > organization.
> >
> > >
_____________________________________________________________
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vivek@vivekdurai.com [mailto:vivek@vivekdurai.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:26 AM
> > To: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] 006 Name - Resolution passes on
.com
> > extension
> >
> >
> > Joanna,
> >
> > I realise you want to proceed quickly with this. But you may
register
> > my strong objections with the conclusions you have reached
below.
> > Kindly note that I did not vote in favour of the motion or in
favour
> > of the schedule. I voted in favour of an amended motion. One
way to
> > proceed might have been to discuss your conclusion during the
> > teleconference.
> >
> > As I emphasised during the call, I believe a panel which wants
to
> work
> > together needs to register a methodology that supports teamwork
> > -rather than hasty and messy individualism.
> >
> > Please note that I find the methodology adopted rather
inappropriate
> > and lacking in legitimacy. You may have received my support.
However,
> > I do like the precedents being set and would like to differ in
the
> > interest of setting that very precedent.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Vivek Durai
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 27 August 2002, Joanna Lane wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The following Motion has been passed by a majority of the
Panel.
> > >
> > > ___________________________________________________
> > >
> > > > RESOLUTION on .COM EXTENSION
> > > >
> > > > "Whereas the Panel recognizes that the
image portrayed
> by a
> > > non-profit
> > > > organization is not enhanced by using a domain
name with an
> > > extension that
> > > > has highly commercial connotations, it is
resolved to change
> the
> > > > domain name
> > > > ICANNAtLarge.com to one that does not use the .COM
> > extension."
> > > >
> > > > Vote Results:
> > > >
> > > > YES: Jefsey Morfin, Hans Klein, Judith
Oppenheimer, Richard
> > > Henderson,
> > > Michael Geist, Joanna Lane, Vivek Durai
> > > >
> > > > NO: None
> > > >
> > > > Abstain/ no response: Jamie Love, Satya Gupta, YJ
Park,
> Vittorio
> > > Bertola
> > > >
_____________________________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > NOTE REGARDING AMENDMENT SOUGHT By Vivek Durai:
> > > The basis used for the amendment sought to extend the
meaning of
> the
> > > existing Resolution well beyond the scope it was originally
> intended
> > to
> > > reach - raising a new issue about whether or not the
organization
> > > ought to
> > > be known by a name that includes *any* TLD extension or
not. The
> > > original
> > > Resolution sought only to eliminate .com from the name,
but did not
> > go
> > > so
> > > far as to comment on the elimination or retention of any
other TLD,
> > > including the .org as part of the organizations' name.
> > >
> > > Although two Panelists supported the amendment, others
objected,
> > hence
> > > the
> > > Panel's position on this was by no means clear at the time
and is
> > > still not.
> > >
> > > And since the amendment did not seek to annul the
essential meaning
> > of
> > > the
> > > original Resolution, only to extend it, there was no
reason to
> stop a
> > > vote
> > > going ahead which had already commenced.
> > >
> > > A separate Proposal would now have to be presented, such
proposal
> > > providing
> > > an explanation as to why such a course of action is deemed
> necessary.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Joanna
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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