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[atlarge-discuss] RE: 0:190 ORG....Has ICANN.org failed ?
Todd Glassey wrote:
>Jim your actions in running what is essentially a private mailing list are
>very inappropriate.
Actually, Todd, I invited Jim's involvement by cross-posting a message he
sent me. Irregardless of whether Jim's messages flow from our mail server
or his, the issues he brings up are wholly appropriate to the At Large
effort, and should to be heard.
Jim, I would ask that you subscribe to this list by sending an empty message
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From: todd glassey [mailto:todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net]
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Subject: Re: 0:190 ORG....Has ICANN.org failed ?
Jim your actions in running what is essentially a private mailing list are
very inappropriate. and if your comments won't stand public commentary then
I don't need to be a party to them.
Either forward these messages to the entire mailing lists as they are
intended to or remover me from the CC lists.
Todd Glassey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@ameritech.net>
To: "Joe Baptista" <baptista@dot-god.com>
Cc: <yjpark@myepark.com>; "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>;
"Richard J. Sexton" <richard@vrx.net>; "Richard Henderson"
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<lauren@pfir.org>; <karl@cavebear.com>; <KathrynKL@aol.com>;
<k@widgital.com>; "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; "Joanna Lane"
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Young" <Bruce@barelyadequate.info>; "Barbara Simons" <simons@acm.org>;
<andy@ccc.de>; <Amadeu@nominalia.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 11:25 AM
Subject: 0:190 ORG....Has ICANN.org failed ?
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc10/msg05296.html
> From: Joe Baptista <baptista@dot-god.com>
> "in fact consider that the primary reason icann has failed."
> ======
>
> Joe,
>
> With all due respect to the Dot.God, ICANN has not failed. Consider ICANN
to
> be the black-hole of the .ORG community. Everything implodes there. They
will now
> be funded to the tune of $18 million dollars per year with a $5 million
dollar endowment.
> Who will get that money ? How many people will sit and watch the paint
dry, being paid
> from that cash flow ? How many people will be sitting on beaches handing o
ut 32-bit
> numbers and getting paid $250,000 per year to do that ? How many people
will
> continue to trot around the globe to meetings telling people that the
consensus of the
> constituency is to con the community into continuing to contribute to
their coffers ?
>
> In summary, **some** people will continue to pay for .ORG names and others
will
> continue to take that money and make sure 0:0 .ARPA allocations go to I*
society insiders.
> That has not changed much in 30+ years[1]...the paint continues to
dry....even when they die off...
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> ...as for IN-ADDR.ORG and the 0:190 allocation ?....who knows (or cares)
what happens to that ?
>
> ...freedom-loving people have to move on...there are plenty of other TLDs
and address
> spaces....the brightest technologists will be attracted to projects where
they do more
> than sit and watch the paint dry...or think of new ways to use consensus,
constintuency
> and community in the same sentence...the I* society is now exposed and
funded...some
> people view that as a huge success...just like the Taliban is exposed and
funded and being
> given 3 meals a day in Cuba...they get to watch the paint dry...
>
> As for .ORG..?.., demand for .ORGY will likely grow, and eventually people
may get tired of
> paying for .ORG names and funding the I* society...some people may decide
that a person with
> an e-mail address ending in .ORG no longer exists...some root server
operators may decide to
> no longer advertise .ORG...the upcoming "parallel" operation of the .ORG
"Mirror Registry"
> will be interesting to watch on the "toy" 32-bit DNS networks...as for a
128-bit DNS solution
> for .ORG ?...that will certainly use IPv6 with the privacy problem...let
the fools rush in and implode...
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ipv6+privacy+problem
>
> ...freedom-loving people need to move forward and focus on the future...
> ...we have a future because we avoid the black-holes...
>
> Jim Fleming
> 2002:[IPv4]:000X:03DB:...IPv8 is closer than you think...
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
>
> ===================================================================
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