Re: [atlarge-discuss] What is this IcannAtLarge and how is it different from any of the previous efforts?

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Todd and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  To a great extent I must also agree with Todd here.  Some of the
activities that are seemingly underway or in progress here are
internal house keeping that should take little of not time at all
to complete and instead long debates on those simple tasks
have distracted what ICANNATLARGE.COM can do
regarding real policy issues such as WLS, GTLD's, Whois,
ect, ect, ect...

  IF we don't start working on positions on these issues VERY
SOON, as an At-Large, we will have no creditability by which
to apply the necessary pressure to make a difference...

todd glassey wrote:

> Folks - I am not saying that this AtLarge effort is a bad idea, but its been
>  done absolutely bass-akwards.
>
> Inter-personal squabbles and derogatory postings...
> ----------------------------------------------------
> The fact that we still have these issues to deal with - one member posting
> something that causes another member to post a caustic reply, is why this
> organization is neither representative or capable of taking on ICANN. The
> issue is that when you have to step around every lump in the road for fear
> that it is a land mine, the value of what the WG produces is suspect...
>
> What are the Deliverables
> ---------------------------
> Speaking of "what the WG produces" - what is that? What are the
> deliverables?
> because if this cant be answered by each and every member, then
> this organization  is a fantasy... And this general failing is also what
> makes this At Large exactly like all the other instances of it before.
>
> I would place at stake here a concept that this organization is exactly ZERO
> in its value to the world at this time since you have to filter the merde
> from the rest of the postings.
>
> What is AtLarge really at this instant in time?
> --------------------------------------------
> I suggest that if this list (since at this time it is only nominally an
> organization) is to be effective, that either these types of postings need
> to
> be eliminated or the people posting them do through censorship. The goals of
> the organization and not people personal opinions about other people is what
> we are trying to advance and with the pure shit hurling contests that occur
> here, it is unlikely that the US Government or any other body would take
> this group seriously.
>
> So right now - this organization, despite its perceptions of itself is
> really only a
> mailing list and nothing more.
>
> The charter and operating guidelines should have come before the Board
> Elections
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
> In fact electing an operating board without anything to enforce or goals to
> strive for, is in and of itself moot since the entity can have no basis in
> existence other than this mailing list
>
> Todd Glassey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>
> To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Cc: <jo-uk@rcn.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:37 AM
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Act now -- Your privacy is at risk
>
> > I won't name names, but I'm in good company, that's for sure.
> >
> > As for Commerce etc., I have no problem submitting my comments directly.
> > Nor should anyone else.
> >
> > > juvenile in the extreme.
> >
> > whatever
> >
> > J
> >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DannyYounger@cs.com [mailto:DannyYounger@cs.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:28 AM
> > > To: joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > > Cc: jo-uk@rcn.com
> > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Act now -- Your privacy is at risk
> > >
> > >
> > > Judith,
> > >
> > > Your position is untenable.  I may not like the arrogance
> > > displayed by the
> > > Board or their policies or their lack of respect for the
> > > community consensus,
> > > but at least I understand that comments circulated in the
> > > public domain have
> > > an effect.  Comments are read by Congress, the Department of
> > > Commerce, by
> > > ccTLD managers and members of the GAC, among others.
> > >
> > > Your attitude that submitting comments is a detrimental waste
> > > of time is
> > > juvenile in the extreme.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Regards,

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