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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re:Marc Please respond! to: [atlarge-discuss] Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
Just exactly as I said. And if you have set your account to default of
locking your domains when you get a new one it will lock it for you because
of your set preference. Locking the domain has nothing whatsoever to do with
a domain name resolving. Jeff your tech expertise may be great. I don't
know. But I've managed thousands of domain names for myself and hundreds
more for clients.
Your "opinion" that two hyphens in a domain name is not "a lot" for example.
How many hyphens in a domain name would be a lot to you Jeff? 6? 10? One is
bad enough when there are better choices without the hyphen.
Also you refer to your users at INEGroup having lots of domain names at enom
when I say I have experience there. That indicates you personally have no
experience with the registrar in question and as with all things that you
cannot directly show experience around you fall back on the INEGroup's
experience instead.
The INEGroup is not a member of this organization. I defy one member of that
group to post to the list, other than you Jeff. If they do not join then
please discontinue the practice of telling us about them. I feel that you
have way overstated the INEGROUP in your posts. I am speaking for just me
here, I don't care about what the INEGroup does or does not do, whether they
exist or not, or anything else that has to do with INEGroup. If you cannot
represent yourself as an individual on this list then I suggest you do not
belong here. No one here is supposed to be representing some other body to
this membership. Each of us are individual users. Now if you cannot stand on
your own without mentioning in almost every post your 127k member INEGroup
then I plan to ignore all future posts you make. I respect individuals who
can stand on their own merits Jeff.
Before you post, I suggest you think it over carefully. I will clarify. For
this I only speak for myself. If you post once more about your INEGroup to
this list trying to use their experience to make your point, I will ignore
all posts from you in the future. I'm just one voice Jeff, but I suggest to
you that if you continue this practice there may come a day where you will
have caused your own voice to be heard by no one and that is a tragic thing
for any individual and one that we are trying to help resolve for many. Just
in case your next post includes the INEGroup's opinion on this, Goodbye Jeff
and good luck to you.
Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: "NameCritic" <chris1@telnor.net>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re:Marc Please respond! to: [atlarge-discuss]
Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
> Chris and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
>
> NameCritic wrote:
>
> > I have a reseller account with enom and am very familiar with them.
>
> A number of our [INEGroup] members do as well. And as I stated
> in the previous response on this thread, I called ENOM earlier, they
> do not use a lock as a default as Curtis stated.
>
> > locking
> > the domain name from being transferred without permission of the owner
is a
> > normal protection and doesn't declare some ulterior motive on the part
of
> > the owner. Just good business sense.
>
> Second, if you host your own domain, or host it with a different
> company than the one you registered it with, locking is rarely
> if ever needed. The basic difference that has nothing at all to do
> with good business sense as far as ICANNATLARGE.ORG is
> concerned is that it didn't resolve part of the time Jefsey
> held the registration on ICANNATLARGE.ORG, due to
> misconfigured name servers (Non-authoritative - see archives
> of this list and the NSLOOKUP on those two Name servers
> as well as the zone file using DIG), and that now that Marc
> has this DN, it still does not resolve yet it is locked.
>
> > Registrars who do not offer this
> > protection are behind the times and shouldn't be used. Many names have
been
> > hacked and stolen. The lock stops that from occurring.
>
> Locking the DN helps but does not prevent DN's from being stolen
> or inadvertently transferred. They only lock the SRS database entry
> for any particular DN. ENOM also lists that information in their
> disclaimer indirectly. See:
> Registration Service Provided By: Bijt.net (eNom Registrations)
> Contact: domains@bijt.net
> Visit: http://www.bijt.net/
>
> Domain name: ICANNATLARGE.ORG
>
> Registrant Contact:
> Bijt.net (eNom Registrations)
> Marc Schneiders (domains@bijt.net)
> +31 30 6992825
> FAX: +31 30 6990151
> Treublaan 14
> Zeist, 3705 CZ
> NL
>
>
> Billing Contact:
> Bijt.net (eNom Registrations)
> Marc Schneiders (domains@bijt.net)
> +31 30 6992825
> FAX: +31 30 6990151
> Treublaan 14
> Zeist, 3705 CZ
> NL
>
>
> Technical Contact:
> Bijt.net (eNom Registrations)
> Marc Schneiders (domains@bijt.net)
> +31 30 6992825
> FAX: +31 30 6990151
> Treublaan 14
> Zeist, 3705 CZ
> NL
>
>
>
> Status: PROTECTED
> Note: To help prevent malicious domain hijacking and
domain
> transfer errors, the registrar has protected the
> registrant
> of this domain name registrant by locking it.
Any
> attempted
> transfers will be denied at the registry until
the
> registrant
> requests otherwise. The registrant for the name
may
> unlock
> the name at any time at the current registrar in
order
> for
> a transfer initiation to succeed
>
> Name servers:
> pan.bijt.net
> ns2.bijt.net
>
> Created: 10/04/02 00:00:00
> Expires: 10/04/03 00:00:00
>
> ========== End of copy of whois record for this DN ============
>
> Now Chris, you will notice that the WHOIS entry for this DN
> shows it is protected and that such a protection is not guarenteed.
>
> >
> >
> > Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > To: "atlarge discuss list" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > Cc: "marc schneiders" <marc@schneiders.org>; "Marc Schneiders"
> > <marc@fuchsia.bijt.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 8:27 PM
> > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re:Marc Please respond! to: [atlarge-discuss]
> > Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
> >
> > > Curtis and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
> > >
> > > Not true that ENOM locks all DN's that are registered through them.
> > > Several of our [INEGroup] members have domains registered by
> > > ENOM and none of them are locked. As to the intention of Marc,
> > > I am in no way sure. But locking a non-resolving DN is many times
> > > a tactic used by DN horders.
> > >
> > > Curtis M. Kularski wrote:
> > >
> > > > The domain's "locked" status shouldn't be used to judge intentions,
as
> > > > this domain was registered with ENOM, and that is the default for
that
> > > > registrar. At present, all of my domains with ENOM are in locked
status
> > > > to deter domain hijacking. I hope Marc responds soon so we can end
this
> > > > "what if" thread.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 12:32 AM
> > > > To: curtis@kularski.net
> > > > Cc: 'Atlarge Discuss List'
> > > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
> > > >
> > > > Curtis and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
> > > >
> > > > If you read my postings in response to Jefsey and Richard you
should
> > > > have noticed that I CC'ed Marc and ask him about the DN
> > > > ICANNATLARGE.ORG in the posting in response to Richard.
> > > > See archives for further information... Hence, Yes Marc has been
> > > > contacted.
> > > >
> > > > My guess is that he has not intention of turning over the DN
> > > > ICANNATLARGE.ORG as he has it locked presently.
> > > > see swhois.net for ICANNATLARGE.ORG for further details.
> > > > I also posted those details as well for everyone's edification.
> > > >
> > > > Curtis M. Kularski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Jeff, etc,
> > > > > I don't know how you all feel about the issue of buying
the
> > > > > domain from Marc, but I would be willing to donate financial
resources
> > > > > to the purchase. However, I feel that IF we get the domain back
from
> > > > > him, then we should make sure there is some type of guardian of
the
> > > > > domain that will ensure that it is renewed when necessary and
doesn't
> > > > > fall our of the organization's control. Has someone made an
attempt
> > > > to
> > > > > contact Marc yet?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > Curtis M. Kularski
> > > > > Certified Novell Administrator
> > > > > curtis@kularski.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 9:19 PM
> > > > > To: Richard Henderson
> > > > > Cc: Walter Schmidt; Atlarge Panel List; Atlarge Discuss List
> > > > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard and all stakeholders or other interested parties and
members,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would gander a guess that Marc would want some $$
consideration
> > > > > for either of these Domain names. Perhaps he would donate them
for
> > > > > other special considerations with our yet to be legally formed
> > > > > organization,
> > > > > like perhaps CEO for life, or something like that... In any
event, as
> > > > > we
> > > > > do not have any $$ yet, the buying of these DN's is not an option.
> > > > >
> > > > > However I have a DN for this group that I registered some time
ago
> > > > > that I will donate for not consideration.
> > > > http://icann-int-atlarge.org/
> > > > > It is currently "Under construction" unofficially, and just
waiting
> > > > > for someone to need it, officially...
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Henderson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I guess it depends which name (if any) Marc Schneiders is
prepared
> > > > to
> > > > > offer
> > > > > > us, as he is now registrant for both www.icannatlarge.org and
> > > > > > www.atlarge.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is not meant to pre-suppose that he will offer either, as
that
> > > > is
> > > > > > entirely up to him
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Walter Schmidt <walts@dorsai.org>
> > > > > > To: Atlarge Panel List <atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>; Atlarge
> > > > Discuss
> > > > > List
> > > > > > <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > > > > > Cc: Walter Schmidt <walts@dorsai.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:46 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, DPF wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Preferential ballots are ideal for coping with an option
that is
> > > > > no
> > > > > > > > longer valid. You merely get the vote counters to recount
the
> > > > > results
> > > > > > > > excluding the option which has been struck out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doing so results in ATLARGE.ORG being our new name (also
coming in
> > > > > second
> > > > > > > on the initial accounting).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > www.atlarge.org resolves to:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Name: pan.bijt.net
> > > > > > > IP Address: 213.196.2.97
> > > > > > > Location: AMSTERDAM (52.370N, 4.900E)
> > > > > > > Network: NL-CYBERCOMM-COLO-1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Domain Name: BIJT.NET
> > > > > > > Registrar: TUCOWS, INC.
> > > > > > > Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
> > > > > > > Referral URL: http://www.opensrs.org
> > > > > > > Name Server: MEJAC.PALO-ALTO.CA.US
> > > > > > > Name Server: NS2.GLOBALXS.NL
> > > > > > > Name Server: PAN.BIJT.NET
> > > > > > > Name Server: NS2.SECONDARY.NL
> > > > > > > Name Server: FUCHSIA.BIJT.NET
> > > > > > > Name Server: NS1.SECONDARY.NL
> > > > > > > Name Server: VOO.DOO.NET
> > > > > > > Name Server: BA.UHA.US
> > > > > > > Updated Date: 04-sep-2002
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The vote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ATLARGE.ORG = Column 1
> > > > > > > = Column 2
> > > > > > > INTERNETATLARGE.ORG = Column 3
> > > > > > > WORLDATLARGE.ORG = Column 4
> > > > > > > NETATLARGE.ORG = Column 5
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >50% = number greater than 50% remaining votes
> > > > > > > Total = total remaining for round
> > > > > > > 90 = total valid votes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > FIRST ROUND:
> > > > > > > >50% Total One Two Three Four Five
> > > > > > > 46 90 39 33 12 6
> > > > > > > 100% 43% 37% 13% 7%
> > > > > > > After 1st round, no clear winner
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > SECOND ROUND:
> > > > > > > 1 2 0
> > > > > > > 44 90 87 40 35 12
> > > > > > > 100% 46% 40% 14%
> > > > > > > 100% 97% 44% 39% 13%
> > > > > > > 6 NETATLARGE.ORG votes result in 3 votes to allocate, still
no
> > > > > clear
> > > > > > > winner
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > THIRD ROUND:
> > > > > > > 5 1
> > > > > > > 41 90 81 45 36
> > > > > > > 100% 56% 44%
> > > > > > > 100% 90% 50% 40%
> > > > > > > 12 WORLDATLARGE.ORG votes result in 6 votes to allocate, with
> > > > > ATLARGE.ORG
> > > > > > > receiving 56% of remaining votes and 50% of valid votes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- REgards, walts@dorsai.org Walter C. Schmidt, IT CPA
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> > > > > --
> > > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > > > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > > > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
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