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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re:Marc Please respond! to: [atlarge-discuss] Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
Chris and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
NameCritic wrote:
> Just exactly as I said. And if you have set your account to default of
> locking your domains when you get a new one it will lock it for you because
> of your set preference.
Exactly right. But it locking is not a default.
> Locking the domain has nothing whatsoever to do with
> a domain name resolving.
Exactly right again, and I have never said that it was.
> Jeff your tech expertise may be great. I don't
> know. But I've managed thousands of domain names for myself and hundreds
> more for clients.
So have I. Your point is?
>
>
> Your "opinion" that two hyphens in a domain name is not "a lot" for example.
> How many hyphens in a domain name would be a lot to you Jeff?
Two is two, not allot. Allot would be some number greater than two...
> 6? 10? One is
> bad enough when there are better choices without the hyphen.
>
> Also you refer to your users at INEGroup having lots of domain names at enom
> when I say I have experience there.
I never said "Lots of Domains", I said "A number of"... Again you are
mischaracterizing and misquoting what I said, Chris...
> That indicates you personally have no
> experience with the registrar in question and as with all things that you
> cannot directly show experience around you fall back on the INEGroup's
> experience instead.
It makes no such distinction. That is your interpretation, not a fact Chris.
As I said I called ENOM and ask them personally as to what Curtis
and you have stated. They strongly denied that Locking is a default.
Which was what I responded to Curtis and yourself, twice each.
>
>
> The INEGroup is not a member of this organization.
Exactly right.
> I defy one member of that
> group to post to the list, other than you Jeff.
Defy away. I do not and cannot control if any of our members will join
this organization, now of any time in the future. I am the spokesman for
INEGroup, I am not a dictator or or for INEGroup. In fact I serve in
a limited capacity for INEGroup, nothing more or less.
> If they do not join then
> please discontinue the practice of telling us about them.
If any, even one of our members ask or suggest that I do, I will despite
your demand, which is frankly out of line as I am a member or this
organization as well as a number of others. So, I deny your attempt at
censorship Chris. Please do yourself and all free thinking members
of this organization a favor and discontinue such censoring behavior
ASAP.
> I feel that you
> have way overstated the INEGROUP in your posts.
You have a right to that opinion if you choose to have it. I don't
believe that I have. In fact if anything, I have grossly and purposefully
understated INEGroup on this and other forums.
> I am speaking for just me
> here, I don't care about what the INEGroup does or does not do, whether they
> exist or not, or anything else that has to do with INEGroup.
Well that's fine with me. Your point is here?
> If you cannot
> represent yourself as an individual on this list then I suggest you do not
> belong here.
I do. So again your point is? I also as an individual represent in my
capacity
as spokesman, INEGRoup. If you have a problem with that, that is your
problem as an individual. Not mine, as I have no problem with it. So again
your attempt at censoring is wasted and unwanted. THis organization is
a democratic one. Democratic principals dictate open, transparent,
and free speech in any of it's forms. If you cannot or do not like that,
I cannot help you in any way that would be meaningful or useful.
> No one here is supposed to be representing some other body to
> this membership.
I am not doing so. So your point here is?
> Each of us are individual users.
Duh! No kidding!
> Now if you cannot stand on
> your own without mentioning in almost every post your 127k member INEGroup
> then I plan to ignore all future posts you make. I respect individuals who
> can stand on their own merits Jeff.
I always do. I am the one only quoting from our members their experiences.
I personally as I have already stated, the one that called ENOM. Not any of
INEGroup members. That is exactly standing on my own two feet.
I am an retired US Marine. I was standing on my own two feet under
much more difficult circumstances than I bet you could possibly
imagine in your wildest nightmare. So your point here is again
pure nonsense Chris.
>
>
> Before you post, I suggest you think it over carefully.
No need. This is so simple as to be child splay to figure out...
> I will clarify. For
> this I only speak for myself. If you post once more about your INEGroup to
> this list trying to use their experience to make your point, I will ignore
> all posts from you in the future.
Be my guest and ignore whatever you like. That is you right after all.
> I'm just one voice Jeff, but I suggest to
> you that if you continue this practice there may come a day where you will
> have caused your own voice to be heard by no one and that is a tragic thing
> for any individual and one that we are trying to help resolve for many. Just
> in case your next post includes the INEGroup's opinion on this, Goodbye Jeff
> and good luck to you.
So long Chris. Good luck to you also! Have fun being alone and
ignoring anyone that might represent some organization or another
in some capacity. I am sure you will find that lonely. But that is your choice
of course.
>
>
> Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "NameCritic" <chris1@telnor.net>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re:Marc Please respond! to: [atlarge-discuss]
> Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
>
> > Chris and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
> >
> > NameCritic wrote:
> >
> > > I have a reseller account with enom and am very familiar with them.
> >
> > A number of our [INEGroup] members do as well. And as I stated
> > in the previous response on this thread, I called ENOM earlier, they
> > do not use a lock as a default as Curtis stated.
> >
> > > locking
> > > the domain name from being transferred without permission of the owner
> is a
> > > normal protection and doesn't declare some ulterior motive on the part
> of
> > > the owner. Just good business sense.
> >
> > Second, if you host your own domain, or host it with a different
> > company than the one you registered it with, locking is rarely
> > if ever needed. The basic difference that has nothing at all to do
> > with good business sense as far as ICANNATLARGE.ORG is
> > concerned is that it didn't resolve part of the time Jefsey
> > held the registration on ICANNATLARGE.ORG, due to
> > misconfigured name servers (Non-authoritative - see archives
> > of this list and the NSLOOKUP on those two Name servers
> > as well as the zone file using DIG), and that now that Marc
> > has this DN, it still does not resolve yet it is locked.
> >
> > > Registrars who do not offer this
> > > protection are behind the times and shouldn't be used. Many names have
> been
> > > hacked and stolen. The lock stops that from occurring.
> >
> > Locking the DN helps but does not prevent DN's from being stolen
> > or inadvertently transferred. They only lock the SRS database entry
> > for any particular DN. ENOM also lists that information in their
> > disclaimer indirectly. See:
> > Registration Service Provided By: Bijt.net (eNom Registrations)
> > Contact: domains@bijt.net
> > Visit: http://www.bijt.net/
> >
> > Domain name: ICANNATLARGE.ORG
> >
> > Registrant Contact:
> > Bijt.net (eNom Registrations)
> > Marc Schneiders (domains@bijt.net)
> > +31 30 6992825
> > FAX: +31 30 6990151
> > Treublaan 14
> > Zeist, 3705 CZ
> > NL
> >
> >
> > Billing Contact:
> > Bijt.net (eNom Registrations)
> > Marc Schneiders (domains@bijt.net)
> > +31 30 6992825
> > FAX: +31 30 6990151
> > Treublaan 14
> > Zeist, 3705 CZ
> > NL
> >
> >
> > Technical Contact:
> > Bijt.net (eNom Registrations)
> > Marc Schneiders (domains@bijt.net)
> > +31 30 6992825
> > FAX: +31 30 6990151
> > Treublaan 14
> > Zeist, 3705 CZ
> > NL
> >
> >
> >
> > Status: PROTECTED
> > Note: To help prevent malicious domain hijacking and
> domain
> > transfer errors, the registrar has protected the
> > registrant
> > of this domain name registrant by locking it.
> Any
> > attempted
> > transfers will be denied at the registry until
> the
> > registrant
> > requests otherwise. The registrant for the name
> may
> > unlock
> > the name at any time at the current registrar in
> order
> > for
> > a transfer initiation to succeed
> >
> > Name servers:
> > pan.bijt.net
> > ns2.bijt.net
> >
> > Created: 10/04/02 00:00:00
> > Expires: 10/04/03 00:00:00
> >
> > ========== End of copy of whois record for this DN ============
> >
> > Now Chris, you will notice that the WHOIS entry for this DN
> > shows it is protected and that such a protection is not guarenteed.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > > To: "atlarge discuss list" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > > Cc: "marc schneiders" <marc@schneiders.org>; "Marc Schneiders"
> > > <marc@fuchsia.bijt.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 8:27 PM
> > > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re:Marc Please respond! to: [atlarge-discuss]
> > > Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
> > >
> > > > Curtis and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
> > > >
> > > > Not true that ENOM locks all DN's that are registered through them.
> > > > Several of our [INEGroup] members have domains registered by
> > > > ENOM and none of them are locked. As to the intention of Marc,
> > > > I am in no way sure. But locking a non-resolving DN is many times
> > > > a tactic used by DN horders.
> > > >
> > > > Curtis M. Kularski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The domain's "locked" status shouldn't be used to judge intentions,
> as
> > > > > this domain was registered with ENOM, and that is the default for
> that
> > > > > registrar. At present, all of my domains with ENOM are in locked
> status
> > > > > to deter domain hijacking. I hope Marc responds soon so we can end
> this
> > > > > "what if" thread.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 12:32 AM
> > > > > To: curtis@kularski.net
> > > > > Cc: 'Atlarge Discuss List'
> > > > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Curtis and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
> > > > >
> > > > > If you read my postings in response to Jefsey and Richard you
> should
> > > > > have noticed that I CC'ed Marc and ask him about the DN
> > > > > ICANNATLARGE.ORG in the posting in response to Richard.
> > > > > See archives for further information... Hence, Yes Marc has been
> > > > > contacted.
> > > > >
> > > > > My guess is that he has not intention of turning over the DN
> > > > > ICANNATLARGE.ORG as he has it locked presently.
> > > > > see swhois.net for ICANNATLARGE.ORG for further details.
> > > > > I also posted those details as well for everyone's edification.
> > > > >
> > > > > Curtis M. Kularski wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff, etc,
> > > > > > I don't know how you all feel about the issue of buying
> the
> > > > > > domain from Marc, but I would be willing to donate financial
> resources
> > > > > > to the purchase. However, I feel that IF we get the domain back
> from
> > > > > > him, then we should make sure there is some type of guardian of
> the
> > > > > > domain that will ensure that it is renewed when necessary and
> doesn't
> > > > > > fall our of the organization's control. Has someone made an
> attempt
> > > > > to
> > > > > > contact Marc yet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Curtis M. Kularski
> > > > > > Certified Novell Administrator
> > > > > > curtis@kularski.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 9:19 PM
> > > > > > To: Richard Henderson
> > > > > > Cc: Walter Schmidt; Atlarge Panel List; Atlarge Discuss List
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard and all stakeholders or other interested parties and
> members,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would gander a guess that Marc would want some $$
> consideration
> > > > > > for either of these Domain names. Perhaps he would donate them
> for
> > > > > > other special considerations with our yet to be legally formed
> > > > > > organization,
> > > > > > like perhaps CEO for life, or something like that... In any
> event, as
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > do not have any $$ yet, the buying of these DN's is not an option.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However I have a DN for this group that I registered some time
> ago
> > > > > > that I will donate for not consideration.
> > > > > http://icann-int-atlarge.org/
> > > > > > It is currently "Under construction" unofficially, and just
> waiting
> > > > > > for someone to need it, officially...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard Henderson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess it depends which name (if any) Marc Schneiders is
> prepared
> > > > > to
> > > > > > offer
> > > > > > > us, as he is now registrant for both www.icannatlarge.org and
> > > > > > > www.atlarge.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is not meant to pre-suppose that he will offer either, as
> that
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > entirely up to him
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Walter Schmidt <walts@dorsai.org>
> > > > > > > To: Atlarge Panel List <atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>; Atlarge
> > > > > Discuss
> > > > > > List
> > > > > > > <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > > > > > > Cc: Walter Schmidt <walts@dorsai.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:46 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Domain Name: icannatlarge.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, DPF wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Preferential ballots are ideal for coping with an option
> that is
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > longer valid. You merely get the vote counters to recount
> the
> > > > > > results
> > > > > > > > > excluding the option which has been struck out.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Doing so results in ATLARGE.ORG being our new name (also
> coming in
> > > > > > second
> > > > > > > > on the initial accounting).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > www.atlarge.org resolves to:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Name: pan.bijt.net
> > > > > > > > IP Address: 213.196.2.97
> > > > > > > > Location: AMSTERDAM (52.370N, 4.900E)
> > > > > > > > Network: NL-CYBERCOMM-COLO-1
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Domain Name: BIJT.NET
> > > > > > > > Registrar: TUCOWS, INC.
> > > > > > > > Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
> > > > > > > > Referral URL: http://www.opensrs.org
> > > > > > > > Name Server: MEJAC.PALO-ALTO.CA.US
> > > > > > > > Name Server: NS2.GLOBALXS.NL
> > > > > > > > Name Server: PAN.BIJT.NET
> > > > > > > > Name Server: NS2.SECONDARY.NL
> > > > > > > > Name Server: FUCHSIA.BIJT.NET
> > > > > > > > Name Server: NS1.SECONDARY.NL
> > > > > > > > Name Server: VOO.DOO.NET
> > > > > > > > Name Server: BA.UHA.US
> > > > > > > > Updated Date: 04-sep-2002
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The vote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ATLARGE.ORG = Column 1
> > > > > > > > = Column 2
> > > > > > > > INTERNETATLARGE.ORG = Column 3
> > > > > > > > WORLDATLARGE.ORG = Column 4
> > > > > > > > NETATLARGE.ORG = Column 5
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >50% = number greater than 50% remaining votes
> > > > > > > > Total = total remaining for round
> > > > > > > > 90 = total valid votes
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > FIRST ROUND:
> > > > > > > > >50% Total One Two Three Four Five
> > > > > > > > 46 90 39 33 12 6
> > > > > > > > 100% 43% 37% 13% 7%
> > > > > > > > After 1st round, no clear winner
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > SECOND ROUND:
> > > > > > > > 1 2 0
> > > > > > > > 44 90 87 40 35 12
> > > > > > > > 100% 46% 40% 14%
> > > > > > > > 100% 97% 44% 39% 13%
> > > > > > > > 6 NETATLARGE.ORG votes result in 3 votes to allocate, still
> no
> > > > > > clear
> > > > > > > > winner
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > THIRD ROUND:
> > > > > > > > 5 1
> > > > > > > > 41 90 81 45 36
> > > > > > > > 100% 56% 44%
> > > > > > > > 100% 90% 50% 40%
> > > > > > > > 12 WORLDATLARGE.ORG votes result in 6 votes to allocate, with
> > > > > > ATLARGE.ORG
> > > > > > > > receiving 56% of remaining votes and 50% of valid votes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- REgards, walts@dorsai.org Walter C. Schmidt, IT CPA
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